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Post by fishman on Apr 11, 2006 19:00:49 GMT -7
Ideas, set-ups on effects placement..both my Z's have effects loops, should I run time effects thru the loop, and dist/OD/boost effects in front? where to put the compressor? first -last-middle? what about compressing the "loop" effects-versus the front effects-?? what do you guys do? what works and what does not... I was into rack mount for a while and it was a no brainer..now I want to go to pedals and am looking for suggestions as to what goes where and why/....I will be running 2 delays-1 chorus-marshall bluesbreaker-barber direct drive or boss OD1 black label-marshall compressor...may or may not use a volume pedal...most of the time not...this arrangement is not set in stone, as I have lots of other items that I can add/subtract.....
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Post by foxx on Apr 11, 2006 20:41:55 GMT -7
Basic generic order is usually time effects at the end of the chain, or even better sometimes in the loop, depending on the amp/guitar/pedal. Overdrives in the front of the amp, in which ever order is best for you. One OD might push another, or be better alone. I had the Juicer, by Analogman, it worked best early in the chain. Sometimes, pedals interact when off. I could re-arrange my pedal board and get some electrical noises. I guess it was cause one pedal is AC while the others are DC, with some on I was getting an FM station. I've been thinking about running 2 delays, I have a Memory Lane which is lo-fi analog. Sometimes I want a crisper repeat than the ML. T-Rex replica seems interesting. I would have the T-Rex before the ML, I guess I would have to try the arrangement, but the clearer delay might be cool delayed again, I don't know. I have never used a loop before, much less compressed it. You should try every set-up that might be what you would like. Keep the loop effects to time, modulation, and the like. I would think a compressor pedal should go closer to the actual guitar signal, a studio or rack compressor is something else I think. I'm sure you can figure this all out. I have spent too much time arranging my pedals, and I just ordered another one, Toneczar Powerglide tremolo.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 11, 2006 21:14:10 GMT -7
I think you'll find that you want compression before anything else. I know on my board, my chorus sounds great, but when I compress before the chorus it comes alive! I agree with foxx on the rest for the most part. One thing you want to be aware of is which boxes may have an output buffer, as that may change how it performs in the mix, i.e., you may want the buffer last in the chain to help get your signal across to your amp.
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Post by Curt on Apr 11, 2006 21:59:53 GMT -7
There is another thread here somewhere with this subject with a bunch of info, also Effects sites like Robert Keeley have guidelines and tips...but I recommend experimenting after you follow a general set up...sometimes ya stumble on sumpin' kewl !
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Post by rcrecelius on Apr 12, 2006 8:04:13 GMT -7
In the days when I used a compressor, I would always run it first in the chain so that is a good starting point...however Keeley suggests trying comp after the od/dist...try it both ways and see which you like better.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 12, 2006 8:16:10 GMT -7
It should be obvious by now that there isn't any hard and fast rule other than "Does it sound great?" Of course that means a lot of fiddling and changing up, but every pedal board has a different comlement of processors, so you are reduced to having to try all the possible combinations for yourself.
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Post by garyh on Apr 12, 2006 8:57:24 GMT -7
I would just caution you on using the effects loop. Everything I used in my loop (Maz Jr. NR) sucked tone. I advise you to try, then check tone without. I won't use my loop at all now.
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Post by Telemanic on Apr 12, 2006 9:38:11 GMT -7
With such great amps, as the Z's, ive found ive pretty much shelved all the toys. True by-pass or not, nothins like that firehose of sound purity ya get from straight in or maybe 1 O/D. I know thats not always practical, but, all the connections, buffers, loops, by-passes, they all start to add up . But again one mans maddness is anothers magic!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 12, 2006 10:08:15 GMT -7
I would just caution you on using the effects loop. Everything I used in my loop (Maz Jr. NR) sucked tone. I advise you to try, then check tone without. I won't use my loop at all now. It's interesting, the best loop I've ever used was in my Rivera amps, but the fact that he designed in a great loop also took away from the amp's tone (in my opinion). My Flexi is the opposite - terrible unbuffered loop, but the amp sounds specacular. So like you, I've pretty much given up on loops entirely. If I order a brand new Z, it will be without a loop (unless it comes standard with one) and if I get a Z with a loop I'll undoubtedly ignore it. As always, YMMV!
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Post by bks on Apr 12, 2006 10:24:43 GMT -7
I wasn't too keen on things when I was running my delay through my Maz Jr.'s loop, so now it's last in the chain before the amp. I run my wah and phaser first, then compression, od, tremolo/chorus, delay.
That said, I run my looper (Boomerang) through the loop, and if there's any tone-suckage it's in frequencies I lost long ago (probably when I had that insane 100-watt Yamaha 2x12 combo that drew complaints from neighbors miles away)...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 12, 2006 22:50:47 GMT -7
I just completely yanked everything off my board and started over. I put the RC and BB in front of the Compulator, with the Speedster chorus, Rocktron Tremolo and I-5 Delay last in the chain. I don't know about other folk's boards, but putting the compressor after the BB preamp just didn't work at all. It wrecks any percussive or dynamic effect coming from that pedal. When it's after the compressor, even when the compressor is on, it seems way more dynamic. Jury's out on RC placement - first, middle, last - I guess I don't have a preference. But first thing tomorrow AM the Compulator is getting moved back to the front of the line.... I also chucked the Radial JX-2 - I'm now rationalizing that I'll use ONLY the 6545 with my covers band, and ONLY the Flexi-50 with my Blues band. Holy cow! So that means no more switching between amps (if you don't count switching between the KT-45 and SRZ-65 on my 6545). That definitely simplifies things, and gives me the room back that I needed to get the I-5 Delay on there. Cool! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2006 22:56:02 GMT -7
Hi Steve, I got the most mileage with the RC last in the chain. That way if you wanted the speedster chorus with the BB only louder it is right there at the click of the footswitch. Try it and let me know what you think. It just makes everything that comes before it sound better. ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 12, 2006 22:57:21 GMT -7
Hi Steve, I got the most mileage with the RC last in the chain. That way if you wanted the speedster chorus with the BB only louder it is right there at the click of the footswitch. Try it and let me know what you think. It just makes everything that comes before it sound better. ;D Thanks arun, I'll try that!
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Post by Curt on Apr 13, 2006 8:57:58 GMT -7
Here's my current line up Tuner>phase 90>CS-2 comp>Keeley BD-2>RC>DD-3, more than I'd like in the chain but the gigs call for all these, Works real well in this order for me. One more time, the RC and Keeley BD-2 are just a killer 1-2 punch Curt
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 13, 2006 9:17:32 GMT -7
Well I've yanked a few more items and moved them around, and I think I've settled on this lineup and this order:
Lehle 3 @ 1 > Demeter Compulator > Voodoo Tremolo > Speedster Analog Chorus > SPF I-5 Delay > Xotic BB Pre > Xotic RC Booster > AMP!
Gotta get a picture of this one, since I'm sure I'll change it in another fifty milliseconds... ;D
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