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Post by jimfog on Mar 27, 2010 13:56:14 GMT -7
Hey,
Gigged the new Remedy last night with my classic rock/roots power trio, The ToneBenders. Medium-sized bar.
I got rid of my Route 66 to get this, as I wanted earlier breakup, more flexibility and a wee bit more high-end, clean.
Strat with Fralins, Hamer Artist with Seths, MJM London Fuzz, Barber Small Fry, Delay, Z 1x12 open cab with G12-65 Heritage, Weber Mini-Mass (only used briefly at the end, when I wanted to crank).
Mixed results.
1st couple sets, with a Strat, low to mid-gain.....not so great. Got a certain high-end "gritchiness" that was hard to dial out without inducing mud. Also, it didn't like Barber pedal too well (or other TS-styles I tried)......fuzz was real good, though.
The last set I broke out the humbucker Hamer, AND upped the gain, and that was much better. Had the volumes up @ 1pm. We encored with "Crossroads" and for that, I almost dimed it and turn off my attentuator. Nice. The bar guy said......"Wow, that last song was awesome........now, don't EVER friggin' do that again!" LOL
So, we'll see. If I could magically mate the lower-mid WHOMP of the 66 and this Remedy, THAT would be perfect.
- Jim
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 27, 2010 14:48:40 GMT -7
You should try a Z-Best - that's where the WHOMP lives.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 27, 2010 14:57:06 GMT -7
Yup....W/a Remedy, Z-best, or a vintage 4x12, is where the tone be at... Regardless of speeks...fwiw
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Post by jimfog on Mar 27, 2010 15:06:22 GMT -7
Hmmm......well, if an amp can't play nice with a 1x12, it's kind of useless to me. The EZG definitely prefers a 4x10, but still sounds great with this 1x12 set-up. Same with the 66.
The G12-65 is a warm, non-fizzy speaker as well......so I'm not sure that's my issue.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 27, 2010 15:20:13 GMT -7
Oh, I'm sure, the Remedy cud smoke thru the right 1x12. Maybe a G12-65, or a well broken in V30/Hellatone.
I bet you'll get some recs in a bit...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 27, 2010 15:35:03 GMT -7
Well he's using a G12-65 Tony. Should play real nice through that setup. I've been playing mine through a Gold when I use a one twelve setup. But I have no experience at all with the RT66, so I'm just guessing, but I'd say the two amps just sound different.
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Post by jimfog on Mar 27, 2010 15:44:54 GMT -7
Well he's using a G12-65 Tony. Should play real nice through that setup. I've been playing mine through a Gold when I use a one twelve setup. But I have no experience at all with the RT66, so I'm just guessing, but I'd say the two amps just sound different. Thanks. This and the 66 are definitely different, and there's a reason I didn't keep the 66, so I'm not trying to make one into the other. Even on your "warm strat" clip....while it sounds great.....I can still hear that upper-mid clank thing that's bugging me with mine. I've had this issue with some Marshall's, as well. So, it may just be my preference...not a "problem". Again, I really dug it with humbuckers.....but I'm really more of a strat guy. - Jim
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 27, 2010 15:53:58 GMT -7
Well he's using a G12-65 Tony. . D'oh..........
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 27, 2010 16:10:32 GMT -7
Well he's using a G12-65 Tony. . D'oh.......... it's ok, we still love you.
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Post by jimfog on Mar 27, 2010 19:22:07 GMT -7
Ha.....just got an email from the drummer on last night's gig, specifically to tell me how much he liked the amp.
I guess I DEFINITELY need to get rid of it now!
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Post by taswegian on Mar 27, 2010 20:23:02 GMT -7
So, we'll see. If I could magically mate the lower-mid WHOMP of the 66 and this Remedy, THAT would be perfect. - Jim That's why I run them in stereo! It's soooo good.
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2010 7:13:51 GMT -7
If you want some lower end WHOMP....you've at least got to try a closed back cab. That alone will make a big difference. It will also help control the high end gritchiness.
I too used to have a Route 66...and it's definitely got that lower midrange thump to it. The Remedy is much more of an upper midrange aggressive amp. The 66 really doesn't have ANY of that high end gritchiness.
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 28, 2010 8:35:12 GMT -7
That sounds definetly like a speaker issue. The Z-Best 2x12 will get you there or a Marshall 1936 2x12 will get you there too. I like the Z 1x12 open cab for some things (i.e. clean or cleanish sounds), but for roaring Marshall type sounds, it would not get first call for duty.
And yeah, you should run two amps (Route 66 and Remedy) - it's always more fun!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 28, 2010 11:03:35 GMT -7
Went back and re-read the OP - John's got a great point about the open back on that 1x12. Good catch John - put the center panel in there and give that a whirl - I bet it's got more thump that way.
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Post by cactuskurt on Mar 28, 2010 11:07:39 GMT -7
If you want some lower end WHOMP....you've at least got to try a closed back cab. That alone will make a big difference. It will also help control the high end gritchiness. +1 I'm using the Remedy with (the widely hated) Celestion V30s in a 2x12 closed back HEAVILY-INSULATED cab, and it definitely helps reduce the dreaded V30 "mid-range spike" that some folks complain about. Personally, I wouldn't use an open-back speaker configuration with a plexi-inspired amp. Plexi amps are very bright sounding by nature and an open-back cab will only intensify this fact. Just my 2 cents. Single coil guitars sound FANTASTIC through the Remedy. Teles and strats ring with a clarity not found in other amps I've used. Maybe it's a Dr. Z thang w/ single coils?
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Post by jimfog on Mar 28, 2010 15:27:46 GMT -7
Just had a long, loud session with my Z 4x10, and the difference was quite striking. A LOT less "fizz".
Man......I just do NOT want to haul around a 4x10 or Z Best to the smaller gigs.....would just be overkill.
Any suggestions for a good, closed 1x12?
Thanks,
Jim
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2010 15:46:46 GMT -7
Avatarspeakers.com
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Post by wubberdubber on Mar 28, 2010 20:44:34 GMT -7
I think you're having the same problem I've always had with the quite-a-few Marshalls I've owned...they just never did sound good with an open-back cab. It wasn't even so much whether it was 10's or 12's, they all just sounded better thru a closed cab to smooth out that upper-mid thing that most plexi-modeled amps have.
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Post by jimfog on Mar 29, 2010 11:26:50 GMT -7
I think you're having the same problem I've always had with the quite-a-few Marshalls I've owned...they just never did sound good with an open-back cab. It wasn't even so much whether it was 10's or 12's, they all just sounded better thru a closed cab to smooth out that upper-mid thing that most plexi-modeled amps have. I think you may be right, as I've had this issue with some Marshalls, as well.
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Post by jimfog on Mar 30, 2010 16:55:44 GMT -7
So......I got frustrated and put the amp up for sale.
Fired it up today......and have been getting great results. Same cab, axes.....using settings I've tried before. Sounds terrific.
I think this thing is trying to mess with my head!
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Post by fiestared on Mar 30, 2010 19:37:38 GMT -7
Even on your "warm strat" clip....while it sounds great.....I can still hear that upper-mid clank thing that's bugging me with mine. I've had this issue with some Marshall's, as well. So, it may just be my preference.. - Jim Jim, I get what you are talking about with the "clank" that strats have with Marshally type amps. I kept my Maz 38 for this very reason -- warmer strat tones without the harshness. Have you tried a Maz 38?
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Post by doctorice on Mar 31, 2010 6:32:23 GMT -7
So......I got frustrated and put the amp up for sale. Fired it up today......and have been getting great results. Same cab, axes.....using settings I've tried before. Sounds terrific. I think this thing is trying to mess with my head! Makes one wonder if the acoustics of the venue might have contributed negatively. It's sure happened to me. (My co-guitarist described one joint as an "acoustic toilet.")
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2010 7:18:37 GMT -7
It could take a bit getting over the Route 66's lower mid punch.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 31, 2010 15:07:23 GMT -7
The Remedy sounds much better with humbuckers that single coils (at least to my ears).
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Post by Danny on Mar 31, 2010 15:28:40 GMT -7
The Remedy sounds much better with humbuckers than single coils (at least to my ears). My experience is a bit different. I find that with the Les Paul the gain comes on REALLY fast and thick unless I turn both volumes down to about 9:00. I was just playing "Over the Hills and Far Away" and could only nudge the volumes up to around 9:15~9:30 and still sound kinda like the original recording. When I'm in the mood for higher gain, dirty tones the Remedy with HBs is great. On the other hand, with a Strat, the Remedy allows me to turn the volumes up higher and I get some pretty gorgeous tones. Very Jimi-like. With a Tele (the least 'Remedy friendly' axe in my particular arsenal), I still sound an awful lot like Rich Robinson ... which is a dang good thing. All three are just different flavors.
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Post by taswegian on Mar 31, 2010 21:48:36 GMT -7
+1 I totally agree Che, with my Set Neck I have to keep the volumes down and use a pedal for solos or turn the amp up and keep my guitar volume very low, unless it's a song that calls for a lot of gain. But I guess that was the whole idea of a plexi without the earbleed, it's gotta get you there early. Unfortunately, I haven't tried a tele with it yet. Must get a tele. Must get money. Must get sleep so I can get up at 3:47am for my shift to get money.
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Post by Don on Apr 3, 2010 0:14:51 GMT -7
Just had a long, loud session with my Z 4x10, and the difference was quite striking. A LOT less "fizz". Man......I just do NOT want to haul around a 4x10 or Z Best to the smaller gigs.....would just be overkill. Any suggestions for a good, closed 1x12? Thanks, Jim At last years' Zfest, we had a stage full of the new 1x12 convertible cabs with Celestion V30s in them. I was shocked at how good they sounded under the Remedy heads. The center panels were ON the cabs making them closed-back cabs.
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Post by mdrs on Apr 6, 2010 16:48:20 GMT -7
I've played my Remedy head thru a bunch of speaker cabs. I like my old Marshall 4x12 with Creambacks best. The Remedy sounds great thru all of my 4x12's, acting very much like an old JMP 50 watt head I have. They like the same speaker cabs.
I've played the Remedy thru a Dr. Z loaded with a Celestion Gold, and it sounds great. But, it sounds greater thru my Marshall 2x12.......
Even though I have two Dr. Z 1x12 cabs, one with a Gold, and the other with a Blue. I really don't think any amp I own sounds better thru even these great 1x12's, compared to either a 2x12, or a 4x12.
I'd try a good 2x12 and see how you like it.
As an aside, I've done this very same experiment with other makers' amps and speaker cabs. To my ears, 2x12's just sound better than 1x12's........open or closed.
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Post by asattwanger on Apr 10, 2010 12:50:12 GMT -7
MDRS, it's just the amazing blend of 4 greens working together. I have never liked a 2x12 they always seam bassy to me, but a 4x12 is just wonderful.
I want to play in a punk/trash/metal band again with a Remedy and my EVH 4x12. On top of that I want to play before my friends band who swears by his Marshall. My Swart's have the right tone, but just aren't loud enough to punish him propperly.
Grosh, F.Dragon {can not say enough about my Christmas winnings} Remedy, & EVH 4x12!!!!!
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Post by solomnos on Apr 10, 2010 20:34:45 GMT -7
Have you ever tried a Z-Best, but situated vertically? When both speakers are coupled with the ground, then it's bassier...however, I assure you it can be tonal bliss, one speaker atop the other.
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