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Post by taswegian on May 3, 2006 23:14:16 GMT -7
Hey Coreybox, check out my album "hypothermia" in the "sounds" section. The whole album was recorded with my Route 66 and there is a good array of clean and crunch sounds. For crunch, check out the songs: My Unwanted Friend Who the Hell are they Drift Any of them really! drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?board=soundfiles&action=display&thread=1135038050To answer your question, this amp will do Zep/classic rock tones better than anything you have probably heard...although that is of course subjective and just my personal opinion.
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Post by John on May 4, 2006 5:08:49 GMT -7
I've had my 66 for a few months now....and it can get classic rock crunchy rhythm tones. Very articulate and dynamic. I'm not all that familiar with what the 'Beano' sound is. So I'm just approaching the amp from a clean slate, sonic wise. Lots of midrange.
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Post by taswegian on May 4, 2006 7:12:21 GMT -7
No worries, doesn't take much for me to talk up the 66. It never gets mushy for me. The bottom end is so tight it's very percussive. Lots of THWUMP when you're really moving some air! It is a loud amp at crunch volumes though....just something to keep in mind. I'd love to see what the Doc could do with a single ended KT66 amp at around 15-18 watts or a 16 watt Route 66...but really, I think it is perfectly powered, but small venues and soundguys dont agree with me
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Post by billyguitar on May 4, 2006 10:34:43 GMT -7
Maybe a less efficient speaker in a 1 x 12 box would appease the sound man? Unless that's what you're already doing, of course.
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Post by taswegian on May 4, 2006 20:20:28 GMT -7
Maybe a less efficient speaker in a 1 x 12 box would appease the sound man? Unless that's what you're already doing, of course. I have to look into this as I have some old 1-12 boxes lying around. I've tried them both but they sounded pretty aweful with the G12H-100 and G12M70 that are in them. I'm guessing a G12H-30 would do the trick but that's another thread. I can't see myself being dragged away from the Zbest though. Coreybox, I don't know about the EL34's...I bought the amp specifically because I wanted a KT66 amp so I've never thought about it. Someone else might chime in here with a more tech savvy answer but I would think the answer is no.
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Post by billyguitar on May 5, 2006 8:26:51 GMT -7
gtrman3: Beano sound specifically refers to the sound Clapton had on the John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers album from 1966 I believe. Clapton used a Les Paul and a Marshall 2 x 12 combo amp that was supposedly pushed with a Rangemaster treble boost box. The amp had KT66s, fixed bias, and two silver 15 watt Celestions. Listen to that album for arguably Clapton's best work. Certainly a tone that's never been matched since. The Route 66 also uses KT66s but is cathode biased (I think) and an ultralinear output transformer so not really the same circuit at all as the Marshall. A closer approximation of the Marshall is a tweed Bassman. I ran some KT66s in one of my 1957 Bassmans for a while, sounded good but I preferred the 5881s more in that amp.
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Post by John on May 5, 2006 9:09:31 GMT -7
I knew about the album (Yes, I'm old enough that I still call them 'albums') but I don't have it. So that's what I meant that I wasn't familiar with is.
A Route 66 is not a cathode biased amp. Traditional A/B amp with a bias adjustment inside.
And in a few days, I'll be loading a 1x12 closed back with a Vintage 30 and I'll let you know what it's like. (as compared to a Celestion G12m80 that's in there now.)
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Post by billyguitar on May 5, 2006 9:56:12 GMT -7
I hope you didn't think I was 'talking down' to you. I didn't mean it that way. I was just saying what I knew, thinking it might help fill in what you didn't know on the subject and to help younger guys that really may not know. Thanks for the bias clarification. I was assuming it was cathode bias because I knew it was 32 watts and that's not much for a pair of KT66s. Very interested in hearing what you think of the V30/G1280 comparison. I've always heard good things about the G1280 but I'm not a big fan of the V30.
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Post by James on May 5, 2006 11:48:36 GMT -7
"Im wondering how well this baby can do zep/who/classic rock tones....................."
hey Coreybox, I am at work here groovin' to Zepplin's "How The West Was Won".....the intro to Bring It On Home is exact RT 66 tone to a "TEE"...........big, tight and percussively-edgy......
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Post by John on May 5, 2006 13:03:10 GMT -7
Didn't even occur to me.
The 1x12 came empty. I took the G1280 from another combo so I've got to replace it. So the 'other' combo amp will get the looser of the two speakers.
From what I can find, the G1280 is either a 'love it or hate it' speaker. Someone (maybe you) said it was supposed to be a 'clean' speaker like an EV.
But one sure thing I've discovered: I HATE open back cabinets/combos when I'm going for the "Marshall" sound. Not a good thing for my Marshall combo. (not the one I took the speaker from.)
I will say this, I thought my Route 66 was blowing my Marshall TSL combo out of the water. But then I hooked up the TSL combo to the closed back cabinet (unhooking the combo speaker) It was pretty good!!!!! Still a little too compressed (way too much circuitry). But three channels, effects loop, comprehensive footswitch.....not bad!
Now I 'sort of' want to keep it.
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Post by billyguitar on May 5, 2006 13:15:05 GMT -7
The vintage 30 in a small closed back is supposed to emulate the cancellations that a 4 x 12 box has and thus supposedly sounds the most like a 4 x 12 box.
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Post by taswegian on May 5, 2006 21:40:59 GMT -7
Well what'd ya know! After this little thread I decided to pull out an old 1-12 box I had lying around with a Celestion G12M-70 in it. Low and behold, with the amp cranked around 3 oclock all knobs, I didn't mind it. It is noticabley less db's than the ZBest. I think the reason I didn't like this first time I tried it was I was comparing it to the ZBest which of course is no comparison. I'll take it to the gig tonight and try it out in live land. That'll give me a better idea. I think they are rated at 97db sensitivity so it does decrease the volume a fair bit.
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