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Post by cisspcism on Oct 8, 2009 17:13:50 GMT -7
Man, I have hard time with this one. I am finding that you have to keep the bass and treb below noon, well atleast the bass.
I tried volume at 11 oclock, bass at 2 oclock, treb ans 1 oclock and I thought sounded great....kicked on an rc booster and woh, flobby bass sitty,.
I guess these have the similar issue of the mark series with the farty flubbly low end when drive too hard.
Best bet for me is to have volume up at 1 oclock bass at 10 oclock, treb at 11 oclock. Now it doesnt get farty when using the neck humbucker and a boost.
but I still find it difficult to dial out some of the flubbiness of the bass.
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Post by blackice on Oct 9, 2009 10:44:07 GMT -7
Do you have a 1x12 head and cab. Whats your set up?
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Post by cisspcism on Oct 9, 2009 11:02:36 GMT -7
head with 2x12 with g12H30 open back, Alder guitar with JB in Bridge 59 in neck
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Post by DRZ on Oct 9, 2009 17:27:31 GMT -7
Man, I have hard time with this one. I am finding that you have to keep the bass and treb below noon, well atleast the bass. I tried volume at 11 oclock, bass at 2 oclock, treb ans 1 oclock and I thought sounded great....kicked on an rc booster and woh, flobby bass sitty,. I guess these have the similar issue of the mark series with the farty flubbly low end when drive too hard. Oh Bull-Sheet the Z-28 has the tightest Bass response of ANY Two 6V6 amp I have ever played. I have scratched my head over many of your posts through the years but this one I can't just let go. Either you have a problem with your Z-28 or hear things completely different then I. First the scratching high-end from an earlier post and removal of the volume tone cap, now this...... Z Best bet for me is to have volume up at 1 O'Clock bass at 10 O'Clock, treb at 11 oclock. Now it doesnt get farty when using the neck humbucker and a boost. but I still find it difficult to dial out some of the flubbiness of the bass.
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Post by cisspcism on Oct 9, 2009 17:56:44 GMT -7
I just have a hard time with the neck pick up when using humbuckers. Dont think its that amp, cause my reeves does this too. The neck pickup just gets muffled and flubby when ever I use humbuckers and then use a boost. Clipping the bright cap really worked for me. I like it alot better. I drive all amp builders crazy, John Suhr hates my guts too After playing alot with the amp today, I did find that I like using the bass and treb to increase gain, more so then using the volume knob. I liked the bass maxed and treb maxed and volume at noon better then when bass and treb at noon and volume maxed. It is more tighter that way
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Post by bustertheboy on Oct 10, 2009 16:42:46 GMT -7
Hi cisspcism- from reading your post about diming treble and bass, it sounds like you're after a very fat sound. With tones like that and a neck humbucker, it's a bit like the problem we all get when putting a neck pu into a fuzz face into an already overdriven amp... total sludge. Any amp which relies on output tube distortion (as against an amp with huge headroom) will have problems with this. Brett
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 11, 2009 8:27:13 GMT -7
Dialing in my Z-28? have never clipped or thought of clipping any bright caps. bass fat and flubby? not in the several years that I've now owned a Z-28 - and have run it with 112, 210, and 212 and various combinations of those cabs Duncan 59 in neck position? alder body? hmmmmm ..... you might wanna re-think that combination .... just my .02, ymmv, imho, etc. etc. etc.and, then again maybe there's another Z amp that might better help you solve your tone and sound needs cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by eliot1025 on Oct 11, 2009 9:07:45 GMT -7
I try to avoid combining neck humbuckers w/distortion. Especially with mahogany necks and dark sounding guitars. Lindy Fralin makes (or made) a single coil replacement pup for humbucker slots.
Sometimes changes in your bridge or cables can help. Maybe try different saddles. The Zaolla Artist cable has a lot of clarity. The best speaker cable I've heard is the van den Hul Inspiration Hybrid. When I changed cables it made a huge difference in my tone (using Z amps). If you change cables ugrade all of them. Make sure the guitars' wiring is high quality. (one day James Tyler replaced the wires in a tele-type mutt that I had and the guitar was born again.)
My Z-28 doesn't get farty or flubby at least as I understand those terms. If it happens with other amps then the problem is probably how you're using your gear.
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Post by fishman on Oct 12, 2009 7:41:06 GMT -7
try a couple of emi tonkers......you can;t make them flub out..... also, the bass/treble knobs are the gain controls, as well as the EQ.... past noon on the dial they are gainsters....also you may want to check your pickup height and your string gauge You may find you have a "boomer" spot as I don;t know what the tech term is but it is essentially a spot where the bass string just booms, hits the right freq with the cab that gets funky....I have had those...usually can get rid of it by either lowering the PU, adjusting the intonation slightly, replacing string with a different gauge, sorta a hybrid set, or changeing the speaker.. I use a RedFang in the 1-12, and a 2-12 Avatar bottom with a V30 and a G12H when running 3-12's....its got all the bass end you could want but stays articulate.... however at max settings it is "thumpy" for sure.... you may also try a different EF86 or a NOS recitifier ......there are many ways to go here, some are almost sure to work for you. If you can;t get it to where you want it, you may want to look for something with more built in headroom, like a MAZ38....toss a tonker in there, change the main gain preamp to a 12AT7 or even less of a gain tube and you will have more headroom than a 20 passenger limo....good luck....YMMV of course
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Post by blackice on Oct 12, 2009 7:48:52 GMT -7
Yea what they said.
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Post by upfrontguitars on Oct 16, 2009 9:51:51 GMT -7
I am using my Z-28 with a Z-best cabinet. I the volume between 9-10, the bass at 11 and the treble at 1. Now I use mostly a strat and a G&L which are single coil guitars, so it is a different story with a humbucker. When I gig live I will up the volume but turn it back at the guitar to control overall level.
I have also tried running the bass and treble around 9 and upping the volume. This will lean out the guitar a bit and might work in your case.
With the Z-best or any cab that I have used, I've never had a problem with flabby bass, so that's a mystery.
It's a pretty loud amp, so you might want to try an attenuator just so you can twiddle the knobs more and not get blown out of the room.
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