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Post by fjam82 on May 5, 2007 20:44:35 GMT -7
How does the volume on the RX-ES compare to the following Z amps: Maz 38, Route 66, and the Delta 88?
I don't think the wattage rating is directly proporional to the volume.... but it must be different with each amp...
Those are the only 3 Z's I've tried... I find my delta too loud and may sell it for an RX-ES, from what people say, it is capable of more gain and better sustain and smoothness.... but the volume will be a huge factor so we'll see....
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 5, 2007 21:07:14 GMT -7
How does the volume on the RX-ES compare to the following Z amps: Maz 38, Route 66, and the Delta 88? I don't think the wattage rating is directly proporional to the volume.... but it must be different with each amp... Those are the only 3 Z's I've tried... I find my delta too loud and may sell it for an RX-ES, from what people say, it is capable of more gain and better sustain and smoothness.... but the volume will be a huge factor so we'll see.... Well the volume of each of those is as dependent on the choice of speakers as it is of the power tubes themselves. For example, take my 30 watt Stingray, put it through some Alnico Blues that have 102db sensitivity, and then run your Delta 88 through some speakers that are running around 96db sensitivity, and the Stingray will be the louder of the two amps. Why? Because you're losing 6db to the Stingray's setup. Remember that 3db is equal to half power, so you take your 88 watts and divide it in half twice and what do you have? 22 watts! I wish it was all that simple, but it's not quite like that. Still, there is a 6db difference between 96db speakers and 102db speakers, so you should have a look at that. You can manipulate your volume very effectively using more or less efficient speakers. But finding the speakers that have the exact sound you want, and then having them be the efficiency you wanted too is a real challenge. All that goes to say, relative to your question, you can get answers all over the map, because we are all running different speakers. A guy with a Maz 18 may be thinking his amp is too loud and the guy right next to him with a MAZ 38 is thinking his is not as loud, but what speakers are they running? You have to include that info or the answers are meaningless. Thus, by way of excess run-off at the mouth, I have FINALLY come to the place where I can try to answer your question in my way. If you used the same speakers with every one of those amps, the power rating will tell you which is the loudest. There it is.
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Post by fjam82 on May 5, 2007 21:16:13 GMT -7
Thank you very much, makes sense,... Never thought speaker had such a significant impact on your sound/volume.. I'm using a Z best, wouldn't that be a good cab for the RXES?
So basically with my Z best, the RXES (45 watts) will be about 1/2 the volume what my detla's (88 watts) volume is with the z best..
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 5, 2007 22:05:40 GMT -7
That's probably a good bet, but remember that half volume is "only 3db" - it takes ten times more or less for our ears to perceive double or half volume. So yeah, it will technically be half the watts, and you'll hear that it's lower, but it's still pretty loud! You should really find someone with a Maz Jr and plug it into your cab - I bet it's still louder than you expected. It's kind of why I run an attenuator on all my amps. I don't need much attenuation with the Stingray, but still I've never played it flat out at a gig.
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Post by fjam82 on May 6, 2007 10:14:51 GMT -7
thanks again....
so from what I've read on this board, the RXES is capable of JCM 800ish gain.... with a nice boost pedal, can you get slash tone>?
at what volume level does it break up enough for an ac/dc plexi crunch?
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Post by telejas on May 6, 2007 14:18:16 GMT -7
With a boost pedal, you can get pretty "hard" tones... But to get natural rock tones from the RX-ES, you'd need to have it cranked to about 8-10 on the volume and even then it's a thicker distortion/overdrive than a Marshall. I've got a clip on my site with it being pushed with a Jekyll & Hyde pedal..... www.guitartest.moonfruit.com on the RX-ES page, I think it's the bottom one on the right.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 6, 2007 17:44:16 GMT -7
Yep. The only other way to get to those tones without blowing your ears out is with an attenuator. But I'm an attenuator junkie here - I run them on all my amps.
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Post by telejas on May 6, 2007 17:59:02 GMT -7
Yeah, I should have mentioned that I have/use a Weber attenuator that I love. I'm looking at getting another Z, so it looks like I'll be getting another attenuator too.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 6, 2007 18:47:07 GMT -7
Yeah, I should have mentioned that I have/use a Weber attenuator that I love. I'm looking at getting another Z, so it looks like I'll be getting another attenuator too. hehehe... I have FOUR attenuators here. Only one Airbrake, but that's more because they are harder to get my hands on than anything else. Three Hot Plates in three different impedances (another reason a second Airbrake might be a nice idea).
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Post by fjam82 on May 6, 2007 21:43:09 GMT -7
So if you don' use the overdose mode, can you get more bluesy tones?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 6, 2007 21:54:42 GMT -7
So if you don' use the overdose mode, can you get more bluesy tones? I'd say that's pretty subjective. "Blues" as in BB King? or "Blues" as in Joe Bonnamassa? Yeah, I think so.
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Post by fjam82 on May 6, 2007 22:00:41 GMT -7
More like BB King, SRVish, hendrix....
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 6, 2007 22:03:23 GMT -7
More like BB King, SRVish, hendrix.... Well unattenuated the amp is pretty loud, so yeah, you can play it pretty clean and still have tons of headroom with the OD turned off. In this mode it is very voxy sounding. So depending on your guitar, and which input you use, and the tone settings, yeah, you can get a cool blues sound.
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