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Post by kerryprotools on Mar 25, 2007 8:56:34 GMT -7
OK guys, help me out here. I have a "first run" ES (with the footswitch)-combo w/2 Greens@16ohms.THE question. If I go to a single pkr 8ohm setup w/ a C-Gold Alni., WILL this darken the sound up and move me into the Paisley terrotiry of that thick, dark drive -as in the mp3 he posted. The drive had almost a "metalic" grit to it in the low/mids. And super glassy highs. I WANT this. I ALMOST bought airbrake, bu then I got to thinkin(which always gets me in trouble). :- THE "mojo" of the ES - I think(please set me strait if I'm wrong) comes from the fact that it has the freq epsonse of almost a high end stereo, created from massive current going through the grid, and thus on to the driver. I don't want to lose this broad response, because I have not played any other amp that has this going for it. BUT I DO want to get that low/mid chunk that Paisley gets. Would -in y'alls opinion - a single C-gold running @ 8ohm get me closer to this "magic" I hear in the demo mp3? Wouldn't 2 of them move so much air tht it would lose some of he tightness that happened when I went to a single? I like 2 greens, but when I pulled one of them and went to a single green @8ohm- I heard something that def. sounded closer to Brads sig. tone. Now, I don't want to copy the guys tone, but would a ANLNI in place of a ceramic drvr. Like the Cele Gold complete my journey into this area of tone. I'm also a HUGE fan of the overdrive of R. Ford.- so I'm waiting ..impatentiently for the Maz GT to come out. From what is known- is the GT going to be a ODS "style" amp, tonewise. -at least on the dirty end. Z has no competition at all in the "clean" tone world. I hope it stays that way, but a ODS style dist plus the trad. Z clean would just be a giant wet dream for me. Any info on the characteristis of the GT yet as far as the overdrive. I like it "SMOOOTH ans SILKY"(with depth and NO BUZZZZ)....or gritty low/mids ala BP. Tell me the gospel on this guys. IF anyone knows yet-that is..... Ok , enough questions. Have at it guys! KW PS-DR Z amps kept me from quiting the guitar altogether(at least as a primar careeer)-IT INPSPIRED ME TO NO END! Mike Z.-I'll move up there and sweep the floor for min wage just to be close to you incredible company(I'm serious). Let me know if there is any chance of that. reply to my personal email-which you should have on file . James Kerry Watts Ennis,TX...and NO , I'm not any kind of nut/amp groupie. I just think you are a very brilliant builder....probably THE best (including Mark Sampson). You and Alf Hermida should collaborate....2 of the greatest mind in the guitar world...he 2 of you could "move mountains"
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Post by Bill on Mar 25, 2007 9:26:54 GMT -7
OK guys, help me out here. I have a "first run" ES (with the footswitch)-combo w/2 Greens@16ohms.THE question. If I go to a single pkr 8ohm setup w/ a C-Gold Alni., WILL this darken the sound up and move me into the Paisley terrotiry of that thick, dark drive -as in the mp3 he posted. The drive had almost a "metalic" grit to it in the low/mids. And super glassy highs. I WANT this. I ALMOST bought airbrake, bu then I got to thinkin(which always gets me in trouble). :- THE "mojo" of the ES - I think(please set me strait if I'm wrong) comes from the fact that it has the freq epsonse of almost a high end stereo, created from massive current going through the grid, and thus on to the driver. I don't want to lose this broad response, because I have not played any other amp that has this going for it. BUT I DO want to get that low/mid chunk that Paisley gets. Would -in y'alls opinion - a single C-gold running @ 8ohm get me closer to this "magic" I hear in the demo mp3? Wouldn't 2 of them move so much air tht it would lose some of he tightness that happened when I went to a single? I like 2 greens, but when I pulled one of them and went to a single green @8ohm- I heard something that def. sounded closer to Brads sig. tone. Now, I don't want to copy the guys tone, but would a ANLNI in place of a ceramic drvr. Like the Cele Gold complete my journey into this area of tone. I'm also a HUGE fan of the overdrive of R. Ford.- so I'm waiting ..impatentiently for the Maz GT to come out. From what is known- is the GT going to be a ODS "style" amp, tonewise. -at least on the dirty end. Z has no competition at all in the "clean" tone world. I hope it stays that way, but a ODS style dist plus the trad. Z clean would just be a giant wet dream for me. Any info on the characteristis of the GT yet as far as the overdrive. I like it "SMOOOTH ans SILKY"(with depth and NO BUZZZZ)....or gritty low/mids ala BP. Tell me the gospel on this guys. IF anyone knows yet-that is..... Ok , enough questions. Have at it guys! KW PS-DR Z amps kept me from quiting the guitar altogether(at least as a primar careeer)-IT INPSPIRED ME TO NO END! Mike Z.-I'll move up there and sweep the floor for min wage just to be close to you incredible company(I'm serious). Let me know if there is any chance of that. reply to my personal email-which you should have on file . James Kerry Watts Ennis,TX...and NO , I'm not any kind of nut/amp groupie. I just think you are a very brilliant builder....probably THE best (including Mark Sampson). You and Alf Hermida should collaborate....2 of the greatest mind in the guitar world...he 2 of you could "move mountains" I know what you're saying...I heard the same dark, bassy and compressed sound clip Brad did at Z's place...bought an RxES and it didn't sound like the clip. Some of it is the speaker, the mic used, Brad's fingers, etc. What DID get me close was using an alnico Weber blue 50w, turning the treble way down on both amp and guitar, and using a Keeley comp with knobs at noon. I think a single Celestion Gold would be a great speaker for you, it'll have tons more bass and punch than 'reedy' greenbacks...but are quite bright on top as well. Brad's sig tone has alnico, compression and punch all over it.
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Post by telejas on Mar 25, 2007 10:24:03 GMT -7
Same here.. I listened to the Brad clips on the Z site and then got my RX-ES and it sounds nothing like that clip. I even have the same guitar (cheaper version of course), same pickups (Lindy Fralin Blues sp.) and the same speakers (Alnico blue and silver bell - both 50 wts). I mic'd both speakers and even turned the trebble down all the way on the amp and it still has more high end than Brads clip. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE This amp..... I think I even like it more than Brads clips, but it is different. My clips are at www.guitartest.moonfruit.com on the Dr. Z page if you want to hear them in comparison to your amp?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Mar 25, 2007 10:51:33 GMT -7
One thing about that recording is that there is virtually no information about any of the setup. We don't know what speakers, we don't know what guitar, we don't know where the knobs were sitting, we don't know anything about the recording technique. There is a picture, that seems to show a cab with Alnico Blues in it. But I don't think those speakers would put up with the RXES for very long. They do have a nice bottom end though, and that might be part of what we're hearing there. On the other hand, if that clip was done with the RXES into a Z-Best I'd not be surprised one bit. That clip has a lot more bottom than I get from my RXES into the Gold. I bet the RXES into Z-Best would sound very similar to that clip.
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Post by anacephalic on Mar 25, 2007 20:31:00 GMT -7
mine is an original RX not and ES but a speaker swap and a nos rectifier indeed created a new beast. i'm running nos phillips el84s and need to find something similiar in readily available format but i'm planning on doing a bunch of preamp tube testing to dial the beast a bit more. these amps REALLY respond to tweaking.
My guess is that you put Brad, Robben Ford, BB King through about any amp and it's gonna sound mostly like them. It's in the paws not the amp IMO, though a good amp sure helps.
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Post by anacephalic on Mar 25, 2007 20:35:16 GMT -7
one other thing...get an air brake and don't look back. For the first two clicks you can't even tell it's there tonally and it really helps with the volume. Click 3 starts to close in a bit and 4 even more but still the amp sounds more open than most i've heard without a brake. Bedroom is really squashed down but then again playing the equivalent of a wide open RX below ear bleed levels has it's own kind of cool
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Post by ruger9 on Mar 26, 2007 8:44:35 GMT -7
I've also been looking at the RxES for awhile now (and one of the people begging the Doc to develop a low-watt version), so this interestes me. A question for all, but especially telejas:
Since you have the Blue/Silver 2x12 (like pictured on the Z website with Brad's soundclip), and you are still having "treble problems", maybe it's possible your speakers just aren't broken in yet?
I recently put a 10" Weber Silver in my Classic 20, and it does NOT sound like I expected- too bright, too tight, and the old, beaten Peavey Blue Marvel (an Eminence-made speaker) sounds alot better to me... but then, my Weber isn't broken in yet, and I have experienced how much a speaker can change after it's broken in. When I buy my 2x12, I was going to get the Webers broken-in at the factory for this reason.
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Post by telejas on Mar 28, 2007 18:02:32 GMT -7
I've also been looking at the RxES for awhile now (and one of the people begging the Doc to develop a low-watt version), so this interestes me. A question for all, but especially telejas: Since you have the Blue/Silver 2x12 (like pictured on the Z website with Brad's soundclip), and you are still having "treble problems", maybe it's possible your speakers just aren't broken in yet? I recently put a 10" Weber Silver in my Classic 20, and it does NOT sound like I expected- too bright, too tight, and the old, beaten Peavey Blue Marvel (an Eminence-made speaker) sounds alot better to me... but then, my Weber isn't broken in yet, and I have experienced how much a speaker can change after it's broken in. When I buy my 2x12, I was going to get the Webers broken-in at the factory for this reason. I'd say that's whats going on.... ON my last show, it sounded a little less "new". My AC30cc1 with the weber alnico blue sounded too bright at first, but after a few months of gigging it finally sounds pretty good to my ears and I'm sure that's due to the speaker getting broken in.
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Post by telejas on Apr 27, 2007 12:53:50 GMT -7
1 month update on the treble issue.
I've used this amp quite a bit (for a weekend warrior). Several 2 and 3 nighters this month. some of those I got to run the amp around 6.5 on the volume while bypassing the attenuator for about 3 hours at a time. Either the speakers are getting broken in or my ears are getting used to the amp. I hope it continues to "break in" so I can take the treble knob off of 2 and have a little more versatility, anything above 2 on the treble knob and it starts getting too trebley.
I still love this amp, even after about 2 months of ownership of this beast. Usually I start finding faults in my amps after 2 months, but not the RX-ES.... The only other beast out there that I'd like to try would be the Stangray...... and I want to try it real bad!
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