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Post by taswegian on Aug 1, 2006 19:44:21 GMT -7
I had a rehearsal for a rock cover gig last night and there wasn't really a clean tone on the whole set list so I took the Rt 66 rig and also the mini. After playing with the 66 very quiet with pedals I thought, "stuff this" and plugged straight into the mini. It sounded really good and the bass player, who also happens to be my soundguy on my "real" gigs told me to use it on the night as it would keep stage volume down and get it all through front of house. I'm a little bit reluctant to try it but I was thinking two or maybe one plugged into a 4 ohm 4-12 would be a great small club rock rig! ;D It's not so much stage volume I'm worried about, I'm just afraid it might get a little thin on stage. Anyone tried a mini into a 4ohm 4-12?
I'll take my Rt 66, a 1-12 and the airbrake but I think I'll take the mini too. We are the last of 3 bands and we're not going on till about 1:00am. Everyone will be drunk and no one will care. What the hell!
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Post by kruzty on Aug 2, 2006 6:26:53 GMT -7
I don't have a 4x12, but I tried it with my 2 1x12 cabs (8 ohm each). It sounded great - nice and "big"! One cab is closed back with weber ceramic blue dog and the other is a partial open back with a texas heat.
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Post by tonesleuth on Aug 2, 2006 7:49:44 GMT -7
I've tried my mini with a 2x12 and 4x10 z-best cabs and it sounds very different with each.
The 2x12 (8 ohm) is much darker and does not have the edge that the 8" has, it has a lot more bottom end and is much bigger sounding, but more tame. The 8" is a much more agressive sound than the 2x12.
The mini through the 4x10 (4 ohm) is MASSIVE, gritty and downright incredible. Blew me away with the first chord. Not sure if the different impedances have any contribution to the different sounds. Sounds similar to the 8" but much bigger and better.
If the volume is adequate, then the 4x10 can't be beat.
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Post by kruzty on Aug 2, 2006 9:57:00 GMT -7
Yeah, it might be the impedance mis-match. Through one of my 1x12 cabs I wasn't impressed. Then I found out that the Mini was 4, not 8 ohm and I tried them in parellel - that was fun...
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Post by detuned on Aug 2, 2006 10:16:01 GMT -7
I have.
Don't worry about the sound getting thin, especially if your 4X12 is 4 ohm, & of decent quality. But it doesn't really get that much louder. In a trio setting, with a reasonably polite drummer & bass player, you'll be fine. Otherwise, you'll want to mic it & run it through the momitors as well as front of house.
It's a lot of fun to gig with a Mini, I think it's the ultimate guitar -> cord -> amp rig, as far as relying on the player more than the gear to produce the sounds. I still wish there was a Maxi-Z for louder gigs. :-)
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Post by taswegian on Aug 2, 2006 20:45:55 GMT -7
I've tried my mini with a 2x12 and 4x10 z-best cabs and it sounds very different with each. The 2x12 (8 ohm) is much darker and does not have the edge that the 8" has, it has a lot more bottom end and is much bigger sounding, but more tame. The 8" is a much more agressive sound than the 2x12. The mini through the 4x10 (4 ohm) is MASSIVE, gritty and downright incredible. Blew me away with the first chord. Not sure if the different impedances have any contribution to the different sounds. Sounds similar to the 8" but much bigger and better. If the volume is adequate, then the 4x10 can't be beat. I have a Zbest, I've tried it into that heaps but it's an 8ohm cab, I just really wondered about the 4-12, 4 ohm. I totally agree with your assesment of the Zbest cab with the mini. My brother not in law ;D has a Dr Z 4-10 cab but one of the speakers isn't working otherwise that would be ideal. I have tried it into that cab anyway and it still sounded great but I wonder what weird ohmage is being used with a speaker missing. (have to get that cab fixed) I did do a small club gig with the mini once. I had it plugged into my Zbest and miked but ended up plugging back into the 8inch and miking that. I was standing really close to it and the Zbest was going under me. Sitting on top of the Zbest it was at a good height to hear. I didn't really have any problem hearing it, it just lacked a bit of body as you expect being a 5 watt amp! But this gig is all rock so it can just be opened up at around 2 oclock and off we go...
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Post by taswegian on Aug 2, 2006 21:46:31 GMT -7
I should add that this gig isn't really a small club gig...It's a full mike up medium sized club and a pretty big stage. That's kinda why I'm thinking Mini. I'll hear alot of it in front of house, I'll set it up sidestage and plant myself away from the drums, and if the other guys can't hear me they can put some through monitors.... I'm almost talking myself into it. Not to mention it's a rough pub, very late, we're last of three bands and the less gear I have to escape, or get damaged, the better. ;D
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Post by detuned on Aug 3, 2006 13:29:58 GMT -7
There's your answer then!
Mic it & run enough of it into the monitors so everyone can hear.
Make sure to play a tele just in case things get out of hand (fore!)...
& wear a good pair of track shoes!
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Post by taswegian on Aug 3, 2006 17:45:29 GMT -7
There's your answer then! Mic it & run enough of it into the monitors so everyone can hear. Make sure to play a tele just in case things get out of hand (fore!)... & wear a good pair of track shoes! ;D
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Post by taswegian on Aug 5, 2006 11:57:06 GMT -7
Well, just got home from the gig...man it was a late one. Started at about 1:00am and finished at around 3:30am. I rocked up and the place was packed with over 250 people there and I'm thinking "oh no, I should have bought my normal rig", but in the back I had the mini, my guitar and two pedals. Set up after the second band finished and felt a little silly rocking up with my tiny 5 watt amp, but our Bass player who is also my soundman in my original band went out front and got a front of house sound happening and put a smidgen through monitors and it sounded pretty huge. A little more through monitors and it would have been perfect. It worked great for all the 90's rock and grunge stuff, Jimi Hendrix and absolutely sounded authentic doing "Tush"! Of course it suffered a little on the tunes that need a more rolled back, bluesy or clean sound. But I could hear my vocals really well and it's the first time I haven't had a completely raspy voice after a gig. The guy who mixed the band said it sounded huge out front. I used the Tonefactor Hellbilly to pull some "fuzz" tones and the Fulltone Fatboost goosing for higher gain leads! I ran the Mini at about 12:00 which is pretty dirty with my humbuckers. I could hear it fine on stage, just lacked a little body on some tunes but nailed the more gainier tunes. The drummer said he missed the volume in spots, but overall it was fine. He played very strong on the night. All in all it was really fun using the mini and I loved loading out to the car in one trip! I would seriously like to try the quad stack of mini's for that gig. If I ever get rich that is gonna be my small club rock rig for sure! Goodnight to one and all.
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Post by crankedz on Sept 19, 2006 21:26:27 GMT -7
Well, just got home from the gig...man it was a late one. Started at about 1:00am and finished at around 3:30am. I rocked up and the place was packed with over 250 people there and I'm thinking "oh no, I should have bought my normal rig", but in the back I had the mini, my guitar and two pedals. Set up after the second band finished and felt a little silly rocking up with my tiny 5 watt amp, but our Bass player who is also my soundman in my original band went out front and got a front of house sound happening and put a smidgen through monitors and it sounded pretty huge. A little more through monitors and it would have been perfect. It worked great for all the 90's rock and grunge stuff, Jimi Hendrix and absolutely sounded authentic doing "Tush"! Of course it suffered a little on the tunes that need a more rolled back, bluesy or clean sound. But I could hear my vocals really well and it's the first time I haven't had a completely raspy voice after a gig. The guy who mixed the band said it sounded huge out front. I used the Tonefactor Hellbilly to pull some "fuzz" tones and the Fulltone Fatboost goosing for higher gain leads! I ran the Mini at about 12:00 which is pretty dirty with my humbuckers. I could hear it fine on stage, just lacked a little body on some tunes but nailed the more gainier tunes. The drummer said he missed the volume in spots, but overall it was fine. He played very strong on the night. All in all it was really fun using the mini and I loved loading out to the car in one trip! I would seriously like to try the quad stack of mini's for that gig. If I ever get rich that is gonna be my small club rock rig for sure! Goodnight to one and all. Pretty Cool! Thanks for the review! I just got my Mini Z and I'm loving it! I too am bringing it to a few gigs this weekend. Can't wait! I most likely will plug it in to a Mesa Standard 4x12 at 8 ohms and switch in between my Diezel Herbert or Mesa/Boogie IIC+. We are a cover band that does Classic and New Rock. It'll be nice to play AC/DC and Led Zep with a Classic tone again! Last "Classic" amp I had was a Marshall 1974X and it rocked!
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