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Post by cisspcism on May 12, 2009 4:23:35 GMT -7
Posting here since , this area gets more traffic.
What would you recomend for a Z28 speaker wise in a 1x12 cabinet? Also would you recommend closed back or open cab?
Right now I have a open back avatar 1x12 vintage cab with a weber alnico Blue dog 75 watts in it. Doesnt seem to be enough low end.
Not really sure what kinda a sound the celestion style blues/golds were going for anyway, I am guessing more treble.
I just thought this would be a richer sounding speaker.
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Post by 6strang (aka Paul) on May 12, 2009 5:19:55 GMT -7
I loved the 210's from Z...also the greenback in a closed back cab worked great. My 2 cents. Great clip btw.
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Post by hogridr on May 12, 2009 7:04:03 GMT -7
I dig green backs or a Tone Tubby ceramic. Closed or open sounds great. Major breakup and drive in a zbest loaded with GB's. The Tone Tubby has a little later breakup than the GB's and a tad stronger low end in an open cab. A G12-65 would probably sound good to, but I have not gotten to prove that theory yet.
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Post by cisspcism on May 12, 2009 8:01:29 GMT -7
Is there a reason not to use a celestion gold type speaker?
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Post by tiptone on May 12, 2009 11:14:24 GMT -7
The Celestion Blues/Golds are a very rich speaker, they're just not all that full. The very rich mids help them cut through in a mix very well, but if you're playing this by yourself you may (and sounds like you have) found them missing in the full spectrum of sound (particularly the lows).
I personally replaced a Celestion G12H30 Anni with a Scumback M75 in an open back 1x12 cabinet and think it sounds superb. I chose the M75 over the H75 to cut some volume, but I think they both sounded very good.
I fear you might find the same things missing in the Gold that you miss in the Blue.
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Post by DRZ on May 12, 2009 15:01:37 GMT -7
To my ear I really like a Greenback with it's thin paper cone almost reedy tone ( like an old original Jensen ) not real efficiant with a sweet top and bottom compression happin'.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 15:58:18 GMT -7
I had the old style Z 2x10 with my Z-28 and loved the tone. More bottom end than most would expect from 10's.
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Post by eliot1025 on May 13, 2009 7:43:42 GMT -7
A closed back will help with the bass response. The Blue and Gold have a lot of high end detail like your alnico Blue Dog. If you like the sound of your alnico Blue Dog but want more bass you could try a ceramic Blue Dog - maybe a 50 or 30 watt model. It won't be quite as chimey as the alnico Blue Dog but it's in the ballpark, and you'll get a punchier, bigger bass.
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Post by flem on May 13, 2009 17:58:25 GMT -7
Chinese GB (25 W Model) came stock in my Z 28 112 and I love it!
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Post by Joey Beverages on May 13, 2009 19:05:14 GMT -7
Still a big fan of the 210 Z cab and my 112 Z cab that came stock with Vintage 30. All combinations at this point in my Z life have sounded good .... even some of those ol' Traynor cabs sounded cool ;D ;D cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 3:43:51 GMT -7
When I had my Z28 set up as a head/cab, I tried an Eminence Governor in the 1x12 and it sounded pretty good. It's back in the 2x10 combo cab now, and I like what I'm hearing. Those Z 10's are great speakers. I'd like to know what the 12" equivalent would be!
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Post by cisspcism on May 14, 2009 6:06:17 GMT -7
Cool, thanks for the replies. Z28 with a Closed back cab with one Greenback it is!!! Now I just have to convince the wife I need to order another 1x12 cab from avatar speakers
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Post by fishman on May 14, 2009 16:25:54 GMT -7
RedFang
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Post by bustertheboy on May 15, 2009 4:40:13 GMT -7
Yep, while I love the Greenback, a Red Fang is my favourite speaker in a 112 for the Z28
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Post by lowbudget on May 15, 2009 6:42:53 GMT -7
Could anyone compare a Red Fang vs. a Tonker with a Z-28?
The Red Fang has a 103 db efficiency rating vs. the Tonker's 102. Could it actaully be louder and cleaner than a Tonker?
Is there any tone comparison between the two?
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Post by fishman on May 15, 2009 13:32:17 GMT -7
I have both, a tonker and the fang, I have used both. the tonker is too rigid for lack of a better term, in my opinion the fang is much better sounding. warm, chimey, and holds together really well. I do however love the tonker in my MAZ38. I like the compression of the fang as well, and the tonker seems not have much of that. it is as loud as the tonker, or at least I can;t hear any appericable difference. For the money, and you can buy a brand new RedFang from Zzounds for 149.00, no tax, free shipping, its well worth a try.
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Post by tiptone on May 15, 2009 16:42:43 GMT -7
I just spent about an hour flogging my Scumback M75 (leadcone greenback) almost wide open in an open back 1x12 and just can't hardly get enough of it. I'll have to pick up a RedFang and give it a try to see how much difference the 103db sensitivity offers from the 97db greenback clone.
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Post by fishman on May 15, 2009 19:28:15 GMT -7
if you get one and don;t like it I would be interested in buying, or trading.
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Post by bustertheboy on May 15, 2009 21:41:56 GMT -7
I just spent about an hour flogging my Scumback M75 (leadcone greenback) almost wide open in an open back 1x12 and just can't hardly get enough of it. I'll have to pick up a RedFang and give it a try to see how much difference the 103db sensitivity offers from the 97db greenback clone. You'll get a lot more volume out of the Red Fang. Be aware though that the Red Fang needs a HUGE amount of breaking in or it sounds super hard and bright. Broken in, it is so, so sweet and balanced. I'm thinking of making up a new 112 cab to put my spare Greenback in so between the two 112 cabs I've got two rich sounding, portable cabs with very different volumes. Those two speakers are my faves for the Z28. Brett
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Post by mitch8686 on May 17, 2009 21:50:49 GMT -7
Anyone tried a Weber Silver Alnico 30W with a Weber Blue Alnico 30w in a 2-12 cab. Just wondering. I'm thinking of trading my RXJr for a Z28 and this is what I have my cab loaded with. Will it sound just ok, or will it ROCK? Be honest....... I really don't have the money to change speakers too and this combination sounds great with my RxJr......... It's kind of the deal breaker......
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Post by bustertheboy on May 18, 2009 0:43:49 GMT -7
A Z28 is amazing with a 212 cab- it will rock. Just interested in why you don't like the RXjr- too bright.. not enough headroom? After the Ghia I was surprised that the Z28 wasn't as bright, or not as detailed, but wow is it sweet- more like plexi crossed with a brown face deluxe Brett
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jul 7, 2009 9:21:32 GMT -7
Just comin' back to this thread after trying a Y-cable to hook up my Z 112 (V30) and Z 210 cabs to my '28 head. Awesome. Simply awesome. What a sweee-t stack. While the neighbours might not like me so much right now, the sound is killer. Volume @ 12:00, treb and bass both @ 3:00 ;D ;D ;D Try it. You'll like cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by fishman on Jul 11, 2009 14:38:50 GMT -7
Running my 1-12 with an Avatar BB openback with a VIN30 and G12H.....don;t use it all the time cause I am lazy and dont want to haul that much stuff, but I use it whever I can. really nice full sound at any volume and cranked...it will take your head off if you want it to...can get teeth like a vampire....or be as sweet as warm honey....I just love this amp even more so since I got a KOT pedal.....in the learning curve on that now....great amp.
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Post by jordanbunte on Jul 12, 2009 8:08:01 GMT -7
Hey Fishman,
What's the Avatar BB?
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Post by fishman on Jul 12, 2009 14:20:02 GMT -7
Avatar blues breaker bottom, has the moveable panel and tilted baffle board voidless birch I think....really nice sounding cab...I bought one new off ebay from dave.... it is somewhat large but it has a really big sound as well. check out avatar websight, available with alot of speaker options... good solid nice sounding and nice looking cab for the $$. pretty much ask around I don;t think anyone has had a bad experience with Avatar Speakers.
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Post by fishman on Jul 12, 2009 14:27:03 GMT -7
www.avatarspeakers.com/You can also buy the cab unloaded for a reasonable cost...worth a check out if you are looking for a good solid working cab. I am not affiliated with Avatar just happen to like their stuff....
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Post by jordanbunte on Jul 12, 2009 16:25:27 GMT -7
Ah, Bluesbreaker....aka Vintage. I've got three of them. ;D
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Post by Ridgeback on Jul 23, 2009 8:49:17 GMT -7
Having now sold all of my Fenders and Victorias, the Z-28 with an outboard reverb is my amp for those types of sounds. Due to this I prefer the Weber 12A150 or 12F150 speakers and currently use it with a solid pine open back 2x12 with one 25 watt 12A150W and one 25 watt 12F150B.
A few weeks ago a very talented East-coast guitarist (Paul Plumeri) came out here to the left coast for a weekend gig and he used the Z-28 with my Avatar Vintage 1x12 loaded with a Gold. Unfortunately I was not able to attend any of the shows but he said the amp sounded great. The Z-28 may be my favorite all around Z amp but I'm glad I don't have to choose just one.
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Post by mosesmusic on Jul 23, 2009 22:15:48 GMT -7
Sup? I'm brand new to this forum as well as the World of Z! I just picked up a Z-28 black/gold head and am absolutely floored by it. I play it through a 212 closed-back Avatar I bought with it in a package deal that has Celestion Hellatone 60's in it. Anyone else have these speakers in their cab?? What do you think? I play a Strat (a must for this amplifier as you all know) and a 335 through it... Wow, the difference between these guitars through this amp is exactly what it should be. What speakers should I go with to ensure good bottom end with the strat while giving me more clean headroom with the 335?? Thanks!
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Post by rustyspur on Jul 26, 2009 23:14:05 GMT -7
i have an ulbrick cab with original pre rola greenbacks with the 28. cant be beaten by anything else i have tried
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