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Post by bookmobile on Nov 24, 2007 10:31:12 GMT -7
I've had my Mazerati for nearly a year now, but haven't played out since then until last night (slow band transition). At practice (through a ZBest) the amp sounds amazing and perfect, sometimes almost too loud. Last night we played a bar that doesn't mike the amps. I didn't think it'd be a problem (I even brought a Hotplate). After the 1st song, my bass player asked me to turn up but I had already turned up to 12 o'clock and it doesn't get louder from there, just gainier. I have to say I was a little bummed that it couldn't cut. Next time, should I use a 412? What would you do?
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Post by telejas on Nov 24, 2007 13:33:48 GMT -7
A couple of things can get you a *little* more volume.
1) If the tubes have a lot of use, some new tubes will bump it up some but not a whole lot 2) What speakers are you using now?? Different speakers with a higher DB or SPL rating will be louder 3) Add more speakers.... The more speakers, the more air being pushed, the louder you will be. 4) If by some chance you have Beam Blockers, take them out.... They cut the highs coming out of the front of the speaker, but they also seem to drop the volume level.
Those are my suggestions.... Anyone else?
I played a gig last night with my Mazerati 1x12 combo where usually my Stangray and Z 2x12 cab can almost run without an attenuator with the volume around 4. I had the Mazerati at about 12:00 running in to an Attenuator, with not a lot of attenuation going one, and the guys in the band kept giving me a hard time asking the sound man to make my amp quieter (they were joking, but also a little serious). But my band may not play as loud as yours and we were mic'd for out front (but no amps in the monitors).
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Post by bookmobile on Nov 24, 2007 13:39:57 GMT -7
My ZBest has Weber Z12's (AlNiCo Silver Bells rated @ 30 watts each). Again, I'm pretty surprised that it couldn't cut it. The reason I got this amp was to have great tone at a reasonable volume and it does that...I guess I just need to use 412... Also, I was thinking of getting a BJF Dyna Red Distortion pedal (I use a Rangemaster clone and a Lovepedal Eternity (which is awesome)). I wanted more gain, but the Rati doesn't seem to like/need high gain pedals. The quest continues.
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Post by telejas on Nov 24, 2007 15:27:18 GMT -7
I'm using a mix of Tubescreamer/Tubescreamer clone (Jekyl & Hyde) and I'll run two of them at full gain and easily pull of hard rock, but I do have lots of mids but it really cuts through. I've used the Hyde side of the J&H pedal on some songs too and it adds more lows and highs, but scoops out the mids and isn't musical to my ears, so I'll kick in my 3rd Tubescreamer with the gain about 1/4 way up and that puts just the right amt of mids in the tone to make it musical. I actually like the Mazerati better than my Stangray for the rock stuff/hard rock stuff because of it's stiffer feel and stronger mids.
Just some FYI.
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Post by bluzsteel on Nov 24, 2007 18:41:29 GMT -7
I use Tokers with the Mazerati and Im loud and clean , unless I step on a ZenDrive and replace the two 12ax7's with less gain of a pre amp tube I use GE 5751 and then put a Groove Tube SS rect in place of the tube. trust me as loud as you want to be . I can kill outdoors with this setup, even better add a cab under a combo...... tonker times 2
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Post by bookmobile on Nov 26, 2007 7:52:50 GMT -7
I've had a 5751 in P1 before and liked it but it lost some high mids that I like. I guess that at higher volumes, those gain mids reappear. Thanks for the hint.
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 26, 2007 11:26:36 GMT -7
I'd say if you weren't loud enough then the drums and bass need to come down. Nobody needs to play that loud. You may not enjoy those cicadas singing in your ears 24/7, like many of us have. Hearing damage is accumulative and adds up over the months and years. Drums are the volume control of the band. that's where the volume problem usually starts.
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Post by Curt on Nov 26, 2007 16:51:09 GMT -7
I've had my Mazerati for nearly a year now, but haven't played out since then until last night (slow band transition). At practice (through a ZBest) the amp sounds amazing and perfect, sometimes almost too loud. Last night we played a bar that doesn't mike the amps. I didn't think it'd be a problem (I even brought a Hotplate). After the 1st song, my bass player asked me to turn up but I had already turned up to 12 o'clock and it doesn't get louder from there, just gainier. I have to say I was a little bummed that it couldn't cut. Next time, should I use a 412? What would you do? You MUST be in Cleveland.
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Post by bookmobile on Nov 27, 2007 7:46:25 GMT -7
[/quote]You MUST be in Cleveland.[/quote] Columbus
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Post by bookmobile on Nov 29, 2007 20:31:24 GMT -7
I had a 12AX7 in P1. I'm gonna try a 12AU7. We have a show tomorrow at a really small venue, should be fine regardless.
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Post by Telemanic on Dec 1, 2007 14:50:16 GMT -7
Db for Db, you'll get the biggest increase in volume with a few db louder speakers. No tube swaps or pedals are going to be able to match that. But i am suprised somewhat that 40'-ish watts thru a Z-best isnt enough! I think maybe ya outta look at a KT88?
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Post by bookmobile on Dec 2, 2007 17:52:34 GMT -7
After swapping P1 for a crappy NOS IC brand American 12AU7 and then putting the original 5751 back in P1...the difference is negligible. I think I may have a real problem here. Of the power tubes, the two inner tubes burn considerably brighter than the two outer. Maybe it's time for a power tube change. Also, I switched the ZBest from the stock 4 Ohm load to 16 Ohms (so I could use my 16 Ohm Hotplate in case I needed to). Maybe I messed something up...maybe one of the speakers came unplugged. I'll check the impedance with a multimeter next practice. I did notice that the 16 ohm setup seemed to break up quicker...maybe I need to switch it back to 4. So...hopefully the worst case scenario is I need new power tubes or to switch my cab back to 4 Ohms. Has any one noticed a big volume/tone shift just by changing (and matching properly with the head) the speaker cab' impedance?
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Post by hdahs143 on Dec 4, 2007 21:50:28 GMT -7
Apparently you dont need the hotplate. Leave that at home. It also sounds like its definitely time for a new matched quad of EL-84's. And running the amp into a 4 ohm load will give you a bit more power.
Definitely replace the power tubes. One set glowing significanly brighter than the other, is not normal, and indicates that one pair is drawing more current than the other. This means the power section isnt balanced, and operating as efficiently as it should be.
Good luck
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Post by bookmobile on Jan 9, 2008 16:14:05 GMT -7
I know what the problems were...and there were two!
There was something wrong with one of the tube sockets (cutting some of the power) and
The Alnico Weber speakers have considerably less headroom than ceramic Celestions.
Now the problem I have is my tone seems too bright. Which raises other questions.
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Post by telejas on Jan 10, 2008 12:03:38 GMT -7
I know what the problems were...and there were two! There was something wrong with one of the tube sockets (cutting some of the power) and The Alnico Weber speakers have considerably less headroom than ceramic Celestions. Now the problem I have is my tone seems too bright. Which raises other questions. Beam Blockers may help some to tame the highs? Know anyone that would let you try them before you buy any?
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Post by matekudasai on Sept 8, 2008 14:45:34 GMT -7
My maz is loaded with 2x12 Celestion Alnico Blue/G12H heritage. It has GT power tubes and it sounds LOUD. On a live situation I can hardly pass 10 o clock on the volume knob before I get told off. LOOOOOOUUUUDDD.
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Post by bennythekid on Dec 21, 2008 14:40:29 GMT -7
my amp is loud enough until i get into a big room setting.
Also my drummer is hella loud, and so is my bassist, and they refuse to work on that. Obviously the drummer would have to buy all new drums, and he's already invested in loud drums (mullins custom drums - acrylic - with a full ported snare is F***in ridiculous)
Honestly I need something louder than my maz too - its depressing.
Ben
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Post by bluzsteel on Dec 24, 2008 11:38:38 GMT -7
The Mazerati can be so loud people in the front row in front of my amp leave with blood dripping out of their ears .....
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Post by Bill on Dec 24, 2008 17:11:22 GMT -7
The Mazerati can be so loud people in the front row in front of my amp leave with blood dripping out of their ears ..... ;D
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Post by brad737 on Dec 24, 2008 19:40:37 GMT -7
If the Mazerati isn't loud enough, I'd recommend a Marshall Super Lead 100. Of course, a lot of it would depend on what kind of speakers you're running the Mazerati into. You can always run more speakers. Nah, go with the Plexi. ;D
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