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Post by woody on Feb 4, 2009 18:56:37 GMT -7
Which Dr z amp can do the old school EVH Brown Sound??,,thanks
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Post by gopre29 on Feb 4, 2009 19:02:58 GMT -7
Which Dr z amp can do the old school EVH Brown Sound??,,thanks PM Brad737 he is the guy to talk to about that one Eddie guy Tyler
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Post by brad737 on Feb 4, 2009 20:33:29 GMT -7
Hey Woody,
Since you have the SRZ-65, you know that's not it. That's pretty much the best-sounding Marshall JCM800 you're going to hear. But it's more of a George Lynch/ Ratt sort of tone...not that good for EVH. I've heard some guys say the Maz GT works for EVH, but I have a GT, and it sounds nothing like Ed to me. The closest I've gotten with my gear, is running from a Cmatmods Brownie into my Carmen Ghia. (Which is sort of odd, because the Ghia really is about as far as you can get from a Plexi.)
I've wanted to try out a Remedy and see if there's any brown-ness to be found in there. On paper, that should be the closest, I'd think. If I didn't have a modded Plexi, I'd start there, crank a Flying Dragon boost into the front, add a Brownie, Mr. Ed, or BSIAB pedal, and go from there into a pair of Greenbacks.
Go check out my myspace page, and listen to my Plexi. I can hook you up with the guy who did my amp for me. Sounds pretty damn good to my ears. :-)
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Post by dongiesen on Feb 4, 2009 22:49:18 GMT -7
Go to ebay and look up the name "ontariomaximus" He builds excellent brown sound and has sound clips etc. He's a player also. Also on ebay go to epiphone amps and scroll down through the items until you see "custom 14 watt high gain amp" and after you listen to that one click on see sellers other items for additional listening of other stuff. He nails it. All point to point etc. I own one of his 4 watters and was highly impressed.
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Post by richeray on Feb 4, 2009 23:01:08 GMT -7
What about a Z-28?
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Post by brad737 on Feb 4, 2009 23:07:26 GMT -7
I listened to ontariomaximus' clips. I really don't think it really all that close. It's a lot more buzzy to my ears than Ed. Of course, it's really hard to tell with videocamera mics.
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Post by dongiesen on Feb 4, 2009 23:20:51 GMT -7
I know what you mean on the sound quality of the clips but I was very impressed with what he built for me. You could email him like I did and explain exactly what your after and your technique, guitar, etc. He's pretty accomodating. He'd probably even send you a CD or something of better sound quality and EVH licks if requested. Just my $.02
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Post by taswegian on Feb 5, 2009 1:21:43 GMT -7
A 4x12 of greenies is a huge part of the brown sound. I'd say in a lot of ways it has more influence than the type of amp you use, for example, the RXES is not the type of amp you'd think of for that sound but crank it up thru and old 4-12 and you'd be suprised how brown it can sound. I can't wait to hear a remedy thru one.
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Post by woody on Feb 5, 2009 4:47:35 GMT -7
Your're right ...SRZ wont do VH...I've been getting back into old VH music lately and been messing around with it in my basement...right now my Crate V 3112 is filling the bill for my Van Halen fix. Thanks for the tips...i too am interested in the Remedy
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 5, 2009 5:41:40 GMT -7
The EVH III does a perfect brown sound
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Post by woody on Feb 5, 2009 18:28:31 GMT -7
The EVH III does a perfect brown sound yeah I've thought of that ...i know I'm going to purchase a new amp....just don't know which one yet...nevertheless my SRZ65-LE might be for sale soon!
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Post by brad737 on Feb 5, 2009 23:12:00 GMT -7
Interesting little piece of trivia for y'all. For the 1st 4 albums, Eddie used 412s with 2 Greenbacks, and 2 JBL D120Fs. He liked the way the Greenbacks distorted, and the JBLs stayed "clean". A 4x12 of greenies is a huge part of the brown sound. I'd say in a lot of ways it has more influence than the type of amp you use, for example, the RXES is not the type of amp you'd think of for that sound but crank it up thru and old 4-12 and you'd be suprised how brown it can sound. I can't wait to hear a remedy thru one.
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Post by brad737 on Feb 5, 2009 23:20:23 GMT -7
I'm not sure I agree with that. I know Channel 1 is the clean channel, Channel 3 is the later Ed 5150 tone, and Channel 2 is where the magic happens. But, I don't think I'd say that it does a "perfect" Brown Sound. I readily agree is sounds awesome, and is way better than almost any high-gain amp available. But still, Channel 2 is a little too "preamp-y" to me. I just don't think you can get a proper Brown Sound with 6L6s. To my ears, you don't need that much preamp gain. You need to get some EL34s (or better yet 6CA7s) and get those babies cookin'! The EVH III does a perfect brown sound
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Post by taswegian on Feb 5, 2009 23:32:48 GMT -7
Interesting little piece of trivia for y'all. For the 1st 4 albums, Eddie used 412s with 2 Greenbacks, and 2 JBL D120Fs. He liked the way the Greenbacks distorted, and the JBLs stayed "clean". A 4x12 of greenies is a huge part of the brown sound. I'd say in a lot of ways it has more influence than the type of amp you use, for example, the RXES is not the type of amp you'd think of for that sound but crank it up thru and old 4-12 and you'd be suprised how brown it can sound. I can't wait to hear a remedy thru one. I had forgotten that! Thanks Brad. But the sentiment is still the same. I think 4 speakers is kinda like 4 power tubes. 2xEL84 amps just won't sound as big and toneful and kick like 4xel84 amps, just the way it is and I think nothing quite sounds like a good 4-12 I asked the Doc years ago if he planned to make one and he said No. Commercially it's probably not worth it. I'm sure it would sound wicked though. May have to get an old Marshall or a new Ulbrick 4-12 one day.
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Post by gtobill on Feb 6, 2009 19:41:01 GMT -7
These sound the best to me. Good guy to deal with also. This may be the best bet unless the Doc comes out with something.
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Post by brad737 on Feb 6, 2009 23:16:55 GMT -7
Bill, if you're familiar with Metro, look up the Rockstah Mod 5.
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Post by brad737 on Feb 6, 2009 23:17:55 GMT -7
BTW, Bill is correct. George Metropoulis is a great guy to deal with.
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Post by gtobill on Feb 7, 2009 11:12:20 GMT -7
OK, just went to Metroamp forum and started to search on Rockstah mods but got sidetracked on the EVH section for 2 hours! Does the mod have a master? Those dude on the forum are too serious about copying someone else's tone. It is entertaining though.
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Post by gtobill on Feb 7, 2009 11:17:47 GMT -7
I read somewhere a while back that some of the tone and feel of EVH's rig comes from the volume. The interaction between the amp making the guitar vibrate just creates different tones. Makes you deaf also!
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Post by brad737 on Feb 7, 2009 14:27:26 GMT -7
Hey Bill, That mod has a post-phase inverter master volume, along with changes to several of the values of resistors, caps, etc. That's the Mod 5 on my Plexi on my myspace page. Best EVH I've ever heard.
quote author=gtobill board=xperts thread=19495 post=238130 time=1234030340]OK, just went to Metroamp forum and started to search on Rockstah mods but got sidetracked on the EVH section for 2 hours! Does the mod have a master? Those dude on the forum are too serious about copying someone else's tone. It is entertaining though.[/quote]
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Post by brad737 on Feb 7, 2009 14:30:21 GMT -7
Bill, It's not the volume per se. It's because Ed played those babies fully dimed, so he'd get the output tube distortion. That was back in the days before attenuation. Those clips I have were recorded at basically bedroom level. And due to the PPIMV, it sounds the same cranked too. I read somewhere a while back that some of the tone and feel of EVH's rig comes from the volume. The interaction between the amp making the guitar vibrate just creates different tones. Makes you deaf also!
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Post by gtobill on Feb 7, 2009 15:08:03 GMT -7
Bedroom level? Sounds really good. Is this made out of a Metro or an original Plexi. Through greenbacks? Sounds like I may be off on my next tonequest!
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Post by brad737 on Feb 7, 2009 16:28:47 GMT -7
PM sent. (Since this isn't about Zs...)
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Post by brad737 on Feb 8, 2009 8:53:38 GMT -7
I'm guessing you haven't listened to the clips of my Metro on my myspace page then. The Galaxie is an awesome sounding amp, but I've never heard a clip that sounds even remotely like a cranked Plexi with a cascaded gain circuit. The Galaxie sounds like a tweed Bassman to me.
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Feb 8, 2009 9:28:18 GMT -7
I'm guessing you haven't listened to the clips of my Metro on my myspace page then. The Galaxie is an awesome sounding amp, but I've never heard a clip that sounds even remotely like a cranked Plexi with a cascaded gain circuit. The Galaxie sounds like a tweed Bassman to me. I LOVE the Metro clips on your page man. But the Galaxie will do ZZ all day. Be tuff to get that EVH thing you got goin' on w/it tho. Tweed Super...it's just NASTY!!
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Post by brad737 on Feb 8, 2009 12:03:44 GMT -7
I totally dig that, T. And like I've said many times, the Galaxie is a KILLER sounding amp. I just don't hear any Van Halen in it at all.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Feb 8, 2009 18:44:00 GMT -7
Beware...the "brown sound" and the "brown note" are *not* the same thing......
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 8, 2009 18:50:36 GMT -7
Beware...the "brown sound" and the "brown note" are *not* the same thing...... And the brown stripe is even more off topic...
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Post by brad737 on Feb 8, 2009 19:22:53 GMT -7
Yeah, Phil. Brown Note builds a line of "Dumble-Inspired" amps called the D'Lite. And like Steve says, the stripe is another matter entirely. ;D
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