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Post by toomanytoys on Apr 1, 2007 23:15:09 GMT -7
I love the MAZ-38 so much I'm considering purchasing an RX ES head. For those of you who own both, do you find that these amps "play nicely" with each other? The MAZ seems very pedal friendly. Does the RX have similar strengths?
Thx.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 2, 2007 11:03:56 GMT -7
toomanytoys,
I like using them together very much, both with four el-84's but definitely different amps... and they work nicely (play well) together IMHO.
the Rx has a wonderful clean that gets close to the Stingray but with more percussion, and is more agressive vs. the Ray being smoother feeling...
similar to the Ray/ Rx set-up but I might like the Maz SR / RX ES even more...
because you can set the RX for clean and the maz for more hair/ grit...
Or I like that you can set the maz for a nice big fat clean with a touch of hair, then set the RX for a nice big clean with a touch of hair for a BIG clean overall sound, then use pedals or the overdose for some drive.
just remember if running these together that the RX seems to be out of phase with both the Ray and the Maz... so you need to reverse the phase on one if you are planning on using both amps at the same time.
But I do think if you love your Maz SR, then you will like the way the RX ES will work with the Maz Sr, two of my favorite amps.
hope this helps some...
Jason
also depending on what you are looking for in a mate to your Maz SR... I think a little more of a different amp like the Rt 66 (our Jayson Chance has gone to using these two amps) or even a Delta 88 (Michael Burks uses these together for a very effective mix) would be good also... Could also possibly pair a KT-45 or Stang Ray with the Maz SR if you were going for a cleaner sound out of the second amp... just depends on what you are looking for...
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Post by toomanytoys on Apr 2, 2007 17:49:33 GMT -7
Forgive my ignorance, but you could you comment more on the two amps being "out of phase" when played together? Are you talking about using them in the same cab (i.e. in stereo)? Or would running two cabs side-by-side cause this phenomenon?
I'm familiar with effects and pickups being out of phase and the problems it can cause, but I guess I haven't heart of two amps that don't play nicely with each other.
Also, how would one go about reversing the phase on one of the amps?
Thanks for your time. Much appreciated.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 2, 2007 20:16:41 GMT -7
Forgive my ignorance, but you could you comment more on the two amps being "out of phase" when played together? Are you talking about using them in the same cab (i.e. in stereo)? Or would running two cabs side-by-side cause this phenomenon? I'm familiar with effects and pickups being out of phase and the problems it can cause, but I guess I haven't heart of two amps that don't play nicely with each other. Also, how would one go about reversing the phase on one of the amps? Thanks for your time. Much appreciated. No problem, I'm no expert but let me see if I can explain, and there are some other threads on this forum that deal with this way better than I'm about to... I think it's kinda like alot of Marshall's being out of Phase with Fenders... it is two separate amps running separate speakers from the same guitar that kind of cancel each others signal out. There is a reason for this and is due to the Odd and even number of "stages" like Myles explained here... drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=lounge&thread=1132637008&page=1Well, anyway.... it was first brought to our attention by Chad ( Phooey on the forum, Brad Paisleys Guitar Tech) That when running a Stingray/ Stangray with an RX ES, they are out of phase with each other... so you have to change the +and - conectors on one of the amps speakers, OR do like chad said he did and "make a cable" that flips the + and - to use with one of the amps ( just remember to mark that cable )... or you can do like I do, and use the Radial amp switcher and it has a phase reverse switch right on the face of it... I also use the Framptone 3-banger which has an internal phase reverse on it.... lots of other switchers probably have this feature too, and you may already have an A/B box that does this... So, after playing with the RX and the Ray, I decided to see which amps were in phase with each other, and they ALL seemed to be in phase except for the Original RX and the RX ES... both RX's seemed to me to be out of phase with all my other DR Z amps and my tweed Victoria Bassman and two Kendrick tweed amps. BUT don't think i'm saying that the RX's don't play well together with others like the Maz SR... on the contrary... they sound AMAZING when run correctly and phase flipped, with a Maz SR or a Stingray at the same time.Big bold sound... they compliment each other extremely well by making up where the other amp isn't set at, EQ wise you can really dial one in to accent one range, like the bass or make the highs sweet and then set the other to maybe accent more of the mids smoothly!! can get a big ol sound fo sure. ...also if your gonna switch back and forth between amps using only one amp at a time, then I don't think you have to worry about it, I DO still flip the phase when doing this... but I'm not sure if it's really necessary running them in this fashion. Hope that helped, and not hurt ya... I did want to warn ya about it if you thought about getting a RX ES to go with your Maz so you didn't get a weak sound and think something was wrong... maybe somebody better can explain it now... and prolly do it it in only three or four words! ;D ;D
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Post by toomanytoys on Apr 2, 2007 20:37:17 GMT -7
Hey, that was good enough for me, though any other explanations would be welcome. I'll check out the switchers you recommend. At least it's a relatively easy fix. Much thanks!
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 2, 2007 20:42:14 GMT -7
BTW Here's Myles explanation from that original thread... where I learned about it in the first place too! well you don't want the 2 amps out of phase with each other. the thing to do is cut the end off of your rx speaker cable and resolder it out of phase. (hot wire to the ground pin and ground wire to the hot pin) this way you don't have to rewire your speaker cab. just mark your cable so you're sure not to use it on anything else and make IT out of phase. i had to confirm this with dr.z when brad and i first started using the 2 heads together. it works. don't ask me why they go out of phase, but they do the split comes from the digital music gcx and the axess electronics bs2 Chad, Some of why some amps are out of phase to others is due to the number of stages in the input chain. Each stage will flip a signal 180 degrees. Looking at two classic but simple examples without going down the entire signal path is this. Fender Black face amp .... you have one dual triode in the gain stage. You come into side A of the triode, so at this point let's just say for example the signal is "up". Then we go through the tone stack and hit side B of the first preamp tube as tone recovery. Now the signal is "down". So we have a "down signal at this point. Think of this amp as having an "even" number of stages. Now some folks know that a lot of Marshall plexi amps are out of phase with Fender amps. Why? An odd number of stages. We use one half of v1 for the bright input but the other half is for the normal input. So, using the more often used bright input, we come into half the tube and once again, as above, we are "up". Now we hit V2 on one side of the tube and we are "down". But then we have the Marshall cathode follower tone stage and use the other half of V2 and flip the signal back "up". Hence, we are out of phase with the Fender amp. So, you can almost look at this as even or odd number of stages. If they are not both even or both odd you will be out of phase. This is very easy to remedy by Chad's methods.
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Post by toomanytoys on Apr 3, 2007 19:50:12 GMT -7
Well, I'm hoping it'll be a good complement, because bought a RX ES today and the MAX-38 is on its way. I also ordered an Avatar 2x12 cab that's gotten rave reviews from folks I trust, but haven't heard it in person yet.
Holy Molely...I've got a disease. Is it "Z-ampitis"?
I'm moving a ton of gear to pay for these bad-boys, but it'll be worth it. FYI, I've got a great PRS McCarty (sunburst, birds, 10-top) that's going on eBay in a few days to join my Mesa F-50 if anyone's interested. Gotta support the habit somehow!
Now to save up for a Stang Ray.
I'm sick...
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