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Post by pittsburghplayer on Mar 1, 2007 16:42:21 GMT -7
Having bought a Maz-18 2/10 w reverb without ever actually playing or hearing the amp live, I am not dissapointed, overall very happy, except it does not seem to have as much stage volume or room filling sound as my 65 Deluxe Reverb, so here is the Question ? I will be looking for an amp that can do the bigger venues and still sound good at reasonable club volume levels, I used to use a Fender SuperReverb, but have recently tried a Vibroking and It really kicks! I called around to some DR.Z dealers and they have a couple of Maz-38 2/12's new in stock, would the Maz-38 hold its own with say a Super or VibroKing ? Trying to get some honest answers, not biased before making a major amp purchase in the $2000.00 range so your expert advice would be valued. Also, ther are no Z daelers close to where I live that I could go and Just play one for an hour or so. Thanks,Chris
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Post by JChance on Mar 1, 2007 17:09:05 GMT -7
Having bought a Maz-18 2/10 w reverb without ever actually playing or hearing the amp live, I am not dissapointed, overall very happy, except it does not seem to have as much stage volume or room filling sound as my 65 Deluxe Reverb, so here is the Question ? I will be looking for an amp that can do the bigger venues and still sound good at reasonable club volume levels, I used to use a Fender SuperReverb, but have recently tried a Vibroking and It really kicks! I called around to some DR.Z dealers and they have a couple of Maz-38 2/12's new in stock, would the Maz-38 hold its own with say a Super or VibroKing ? Trying to get some honest answers, not biased before making a major amp purchase in the $2000.00 range so your expert advice would be valued. Also, ther are no Z daelers close to where I live that I could go and Just play one for an hour or so. Thanks,Chris Wow... I'm shocked. I could knock the walls down with my MAZ 38 combo that SqueallyDan now has. And that was with vintage style, 30 watt speakers. I've plugged into plenty of 38's with the same results. Hell, once I was even told by a FOH guy to turn down in an arena... Now that's an extreme case with a lot of variables, but the bottom line is that these amps are powerful. If your '65 Deluxe is louder than your MAZ 38, something seriously is wrong. My MAZ 18 with 2 10's was every bit as loud as my '66 Deluxe Reverb I used to have, and that was with a Weber ceramic California in the Deluxe! The output of a MAZ 38 is very comparable to a Bassman or Super, although you can get it to give up the goods and fatten up a little easier. Even with the 2 10, your amp should be plenty loud for most applications. And no, I'm not biased. I grew up on vintage Fender amps and have owned or used extensively a TON of them. My advice would be, first of all, make sure your power tubes are up to date. The design of the MAZ 38 makes them use up newer production power tubes quicker than others. Also double-check to make sure the correct speaker jack is plugged into. An impedence mismatch will lower your volume considerably. I even pulled the chassis out of my MAZ 38 for a while and stuck it in the 2 10" cab of my MAZ Jr for a while. I did it because I was playing with a couple of bands that were doing some festivals and had several instruments, so I wanted a smaller footprint on stage. Even on outdoor stages I had plenty of juice. Also, keep in mind that I always keep my master dimed and adjust my output from the volume control. This keeps the power amp running at full tilt. And if everything with your amp checks out fine and you still need more headroom, you might just want to look into getting a 1 12" or 2 12" extension cab. Then you'd still have the portable combo, but could take an extra cab along with you for the LOUD gigs. J
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Post by pittsburghplayer on Mar 1, 2007 17:44:48 GMT -7
Jay, hi , you must have read my post wrong, I said my Maz-18 2/10 combo does not seem as loud as my 65 Deluxe Reverb, I'm looking to add another amp to my arsenel, I love the sounds of the Jr. and wanted to know if a Maz-38 2/12 combo would be in that power range or should I say as full or big sounding as say a Vibroking or SupeReverb? I also have some vintage Fender amps, ala 68 Bandmaster Reverb Head W/2/12 cab, 66 Blackface SuperReverb, which I dont care to take on gigs anymore, Bought a new Fender Supersonic combo 6 months ago , but not my Bag, if you know what I mean, I'm not a channel switcher, just use my guitar tone and volume controls, anyway, I may go ahead and purchase the Maz-38 2/12 combo , seen a couple Red ones in stock at various stores online, Thanks, chris
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 1, 2007 23:00:06 GMT -7
A Maz 38 2x12 combo is easily as loud as a Super Reverb and probably the Vibroking too. It also can have much stronger mids that will cut through the band better than the Fenders.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Mar 2, 2007 5:43:27 GMT -7
Don't know about the comparing to the Fender amp, but I will say this. I had a Marshall JCM900 w/4x12 sitting next to my Maz Sr. The JCM running at about 50 % of max volume is about the same as the Maz running at about 25% volume attenuated. Don't know if that helps.
The Maz is brute force power!
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Post by Lefty on Mar 2, 2007 7:13:45 GMT -7
The 1st. Q is ...did you buy new or used? My Maz Jr. easily out volumed my DR, with more fullness as well. The DR is loooooong gone. No regrets.
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Post by division17 on Mar 2, 2007 9:27:32 GMT -7
Hi there,
I guess I'd be a good person to ask, 'cuz I owned a Vibro-King for three years, and in September 2006, switched to the Maz 38 Sr. Absolutely, without a doubt, the Maz 38 can go head to head with the VK. I can't comment on if it's paired with two 10s, but with two 12s ... this thing is *@*! loud! I actally downsized and sold my Z-best (2x12) and am now waiting for my 1x12 Celestion Gold. I do not regret switching to the Maz from the VK. The VK is an increadible amp ... it's just that I really like the sound of 4 EL84s. The one thing is that the VK has the best reverb I've ever heard.
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Post by pittsburghplayer on Mar 2, 2007 11:56:09 GMT -7
Hey, Lefty, I bought the Jr, used last week, so I've ordered new tubes for it which should be here Monday, March 5. Will see if they make any difference in volume. Hope so, if not may trade up to Maz-38, and from what I am hearing on this forum it will have the Horsepower I'm looking for. Thanks , Chris
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 2, 2007 12:28:25 GMT -7
It has all the power that a reasonable man needs.
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Post by paulgiz2 on Mar 3, 2007 6:45:49 GMT -7
If you think you can use more volume than a MAZ 38 2x12 can give you, then you are indeed a sick man.
Besides the ability to fill any stage or venue, it has "cutting power" that allows it to be present in the mix without having to blast.
That being said, I think there may be something wrong with your Jr. if it doesn't seem loud.
I only prefer the Sr. because I like a tighter, clean sound with "pop" in the bass. A strong 15-18W amp should be sufficient for club work if you don't mind a bit of dirt.
P.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Mar 3, 2007 13:40:44 GMT -7
If you think you can use more volume than a MAZ 38 2x12 can give you, then you are indeed a sick man. Besides the ability to fill any stage or venue, it has "cutting power" that allows it to be present in the mix without having to blast. That being said, I think there may be something wrong with your Jr. if it doesn't seem loud. I only prefer the Sr. because I like a tighter, clean sound with "pop" in the bass. A strong 15-18W amp should be sufficient for club work if you don't mind a bit of dirt. P. Agree, agree, agree! All great points! The Sr into a Z best cranked will cut through anything and cause serious hearing dammage.
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 5, 2007 15:09:19 GMT -7
I think it depends on what kind of clean you want. The Maz 38 is loud but its different that the clean of say a twin w/ 6L6's. Its a different sound. The clean of a Maz might not sound quite as "clean" as say a high powered fender but it has more character. And yes a Maz Sr. is loud as all get out.
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Post by pjrhd28 on Mar 6, 2007 16:33:51 GMT -7
I have both a Vibro King (VK) and a Maz 38 with the Z best 2 x 12 cab.
In sheer volume, I'm quite sure the Z will keep up with the VK; a Super is a little louder than a VK but I'd be shocked if the 38 won't keep up with it also (in terms of sheer volume).
There is a distinct difference in the TYPE of sound the VK produces compared to the 38, but in terms of sheer volume, the 38 can easily keep up with the VK.
I also can't imagine a big volume difference in the 18 and the 38 so perhaps there is indeed something wrong with the 18.
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Post by fishman on Mar 9, 2007 19:49:57 GMT -7
38 is King....no question in my mind...I have had most of whats around in the last forty plus years and this amp is top Gun. It even won out over the StingRay head to head. It can do it all and the beauty is you can set it up in a fashion that would be downright stupid with any other amp, turn it on and POW great sounds...it is truly amazing....\ volume wise, I use my 38 with a 1-12 Eminence Tonker, I have tried alot of other speakers but really like the Tonker...and it is LOUD to the 10th power...literally it can hurt you if you are standing in the way .....I also use a Weber Beam blocker which was money well spent...makes this amp/speaker combo the amp that always does the job and the one I like the best sound wise...I have some vintage fenders that I am emotionally attached to but the 38 sounds better....I found by accident the other day the Hendrix sound from Watchtower, right to a tee...I was not looking for it, but there it was and it was that sound....Mine is the NR model and I had a hard time believeing that it would do what i needed it to do....I was wrong. The MAZ can in my humble opinion, just about do it all...emotional attachement not withstanding, if I could only have one, it would be this one. I installed a fan in mine, but other than that nothing else has been done other than the speaker....amp is how I recieved it.... I have been playing with the same guys for decades and they have seem them all come and go...their favorite saying is...how long on this one?.....now they say, keep this one...its the best sounding amp you have ever had! I agree. My delay messed up the last gig we played to as it was the last set I figured why stall the rythem I will just plug straight in...I did and honestly, I was floored... the more I turned it up, the better it sounded...it was literally roaring with focused harmonic musical distortion, then clean as polished steel with a touch of the volume on the guitar...I was using my 87 strat, all stock....I will play it like that again for sure....if you can, you need to experience some of that.... Did I say that it can get in your face, chime-bell tones, raw grit and power distortion, and enough bottom end to star in a rap video.....and did I mention that it can be LOUD.... I think you may have a problem with the 18..I would investagate further as these are the best amps out there in my opinion....
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Post by jwr on Mar 10, 2007 13:10:49 GMT -7
I too run the master all the way up, but I am using a 5751 Phase Inverter to keep my output section a little cleaner and it helps put the amp closer to a Fender Super sound. It's the most versatile 1 channel amp I've ever played and it will be with me for a VERY long time. Love my Sr. Jason
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Post by UnclePat on Mar 18, 2007 8:30:03 GMT -7
I have a Vibro King. Although it's rated at 60 watts, it behaves more like a cranked thirty or forty watt amp due to the alnico 10's and possibly the impedance mismatch (2 ohm output into a 2.6 ohm load) and hell, maybe just the basic Zinky design of the thing. Whatever it is, I like it! I'd say a Sr can more than hold it's own against a VK, especially if you're looking for some great cleans. If reverb's your thing though....nothing comes close to the VK and it's 'built-in 63 reverb unit with dwell, mix and tone controls.
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Post by bluzsteel on Mar 18, 2007 16:18:35 GMT -7
one of my fav blues players and close friend Anson Funderburg , hung up his Supers not long after I did mine and he got him a Maz 38 212
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Mar 19, 2007 10:41:43 GMT -7
38 is King....no question in my mind...I have had most of whats around in the last forty plus years and this amp is top Gun. It even won out over the StingRay head to head. It can do it all and the beauty is you can set it up in a fashion that would be downright stupid with any other amp, turn it on and POW great sounds...it is truly amazing....\ volume wise, I use my 38 with a 1-12 Eminence Tonker, I have tried alot of other speakers but really like the Tonker...and it is LOUD to the 10th power...literally it can hurt you if you are standing in the way .....I also use a Weber Beam blocker which was money well spent...makes this amp/speaker combo the amp that always does the job and the one I like the best sound wise...I have some vintage fenders that I am emotionally attached to but the 38 sounds better....I found by accident the other day the Hendrix sound from Watchtower, right to a tee...I was not looking for it, but there it was and it was that sound....Mine is the NR model and I had a hard time believeing that it would do what i needed it to do....I was wrong. The MAZ can in my humble opinion, just about do it all...emotional attachement not withstanding, if I could only have one, it would be this one. I installed a fan in mine, but other than that nothing else has been done other than the speaker....amp is how I recieved it.... I have been playing with the same guys for decades and they have seem them all come and go...their favorite saying is...how long on this one?.....now they say, keep this one...its the best sounding amp you have ever had! I agree. My delay messed up the last gig we played to as it was the last set I figured why stall the rythem I will just plug straight in...I did and honestly, I was floored... the more I turned it up, the better it sounded...it was literally roaring with focused harmonic musical distortion, then clean as polished steel with a touch of the volume on the guitar...I was using my 87 strat, all stock....I will play it like that again for sure....if you can, you need to experience some of that.... Did I say that it can get in your face, chime-bell tones, raw grit and power distortion, and enough bottom end to star in a rap video.....and did I mention that it can be LOUD.... I think you may have a problem with the 18..I would investagate further as these are the best amps out there in my opinion.... Wow, Fishman... you said a mouthfull and I agree with you 100%!! after much trial and a/b'ing... My favorite amp of all time is the Maz 38 Sr... with the Ray and RX ES ( which is even louder than the Maz) tied for second... I just wish I could play my Maz SR through it's matching Z-best cab with weber alnico blue dogs... but I can't cause it SO LOUD!! with that set up I could hang with just about any amp.... been thinking about paring down the ole gear for a while now but I can't seem to bring myself to decide which amps cause they are all like my babies... but one things for SURE... MAZ 38 ain't NEVER going no where!!
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Post by James on Mar 19, 2007 11:14:52 GMT -7
Hey Jason...........................you gotta try the 38 with a C-Gold. Ear Candy!
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