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Post by bwags on Oct 14, 2006 14:01:04 GMT -7
Country players how are you setting your Maz38?I have a Maz38 Sr NR and I'm running it into a 2x12 with a blue/G12H30 at 16ohm.I noticed that a lot of the posted settings on here sound really bass heavy to me.I've only had it on one gig so far so it's too early to tell how it's translating out front.I will say one thing so far, it sound huge and cuts through the mix.I might even have to use a Airbrake on some gigs.My pant legs are still shakin' ;D
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Post by Curt on Oct 14, 2006 15:18:59 GMT -7
Look at the pic of mine in the gallery section, it show's my settings. It was a 1x12 combo, reverb with a G12H. You'll notice I ran the bass barely cracked, turn the bass all the way down and raise it slowly while plucking the low E till ya hear what you like.
Curt
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Post by bwags on Oct 15, 2006 8:46:00 GMT -7
Thanks for the settings Curt.The clips on your band's website sound great.The tone's killin'.
I got the best tone of my entire life last night with the Maz38.I don't get too easily excited and have owned quite a few nice amps.It was the biggest tele tone I've ever had.Here's where I ended up setting the amp.
Cut-9:00, Master-full, Bass-Full, mids-1:00, Treble-9:00, Volume-10:00.
This sounded huge on the rear p/u of my tele.I used a RC Booster with the bass rolled off pretty far to clear up the neck and middle p/u tones.I received a lot of compliments on my tone last night from several musician that were hanging out.This has to be one the best amps that I've ever owned.
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Post by bwags on Oct 16, 2006 18:19:11 GMT -7
Can anyone tell me if the NR 38 has more bass than the reverb model?Also how much more gain does the NR model have?I'm playing through a openback cab with a Blue/G12H combo and have a lot of bottom even with the bass at 9:00 - 10:00.I'm not pushing the amp very hard.Is this normal for a Maz38 NR?I've tried some of the setting that were posted on here and they all have a lot of bass through my rig.I'm using a Relic Nocaster so it's not my guitar.
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Post by Curt on Oct 16, 2006 19:36:51 GMT -7
All Z amps have a very tight full bottom but the Max is more often refered to as "bright". Even with the bass near off it's too much?
Perhaps it should make a trip back to Doc.
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Post by bwags on Oct 16, 2006 20:34:51 GMT -7
All Z amps have a very tight full bottom but the Max is more often refered to as "bright". Even with the bass near off it's too much? Perhaps it should make a trip back to Doc. If I want a clear neck p/u tone on my Maz I have to run the bass at 9:00 or lower or it will be too big sounding in the mix.It sound great on the bridge p/u.I got the amp sounding good with the bass lower.I noticed a lot of posted amp settings on here were too bassy for me.I've heard some really nice clips of the Maz38 on here.I go for similar tones as Jayson Chance.I bought the amp used and it's only a few months old.I got it from a friend so I no it's not been messed with. I'll keep experimenting with it.It sounds a lot different live than in my basement.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 17, 2006 9:45:49 GMT -7
I run the amp clean, use pedals for different flavors of dirt with G&L guitfiddles (ceramic MFD pups). 212 amp w/Weber Silver/Blue Alnico combo. Tubes are also 'stock' #6 rated GTs. FYI: settings were quite different w/G12H30s, V30/G12H30 combo, Weber Blue Ceramic/Alnico combo.
V: 11:00 T: 12:00 M: 1:00 B: 10:00 Master: anywhere from 12:00 up. C: 9:00 R: off or to where just barely audible if in a really dead room
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Post by real.sladdi on Oct 17, 2006 14:47:32 GMT -7
It's aMAZing: You guys seem to have very nice band members I run Volume and Master on my MAZ Sr. Head around 10:00/ 11:00 in the Low Input - a little louder and the other guys in my (Cowboy Rock) Band would kill me!!! My guitars are Strat/ Tele/ Junior and speaker cabs are 1x12 w/ Emi Tonker or 2x12 w/ Emi Red Fang + G12H30. My Amp Settings: Volume 11:00 Treble 11:00 Mid 11:00 Bass 08:00 (can't imagine to run it FULL like some forumites do...) Master 10:00 Cut 09:00 I've got an Airbrake on the way so it'll change soon
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Post by bwags on Oct 17, 2006 16:49:52 GMT -7
I figured out what was going on.I had a Blue that was shot.Also I find that I like the tone a lot better through the low input.More round and closer to a Fender sound.It's super tight now.Thanks for the help guys.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 17, 2006 19:45:52 GMT -7
It's aMAZing: You guys seem to have very nice band members Not necessarily nice, but more likely hearing impaired. Believe it or not, the Maz Sr. isn't loud enough for my present touring ensemble. Have decided steel guitar players are the loudest musicians on the planet. ;D I've toyed with running a different preamp tube config, colder power tubes and getting Ceramic speakers for more clean headroom live. Ridiculous! ---------- bwags, Jason's used...nay, beat upon...this amp a few times...it's set up similarly to his. Believe his last pummelling was set something along the lines of: V: 1:00 T: 12:00 M: 1:00 B: 10:00 Master: Dimed C: 9:00 R: off or to where just barely audible...like 8:00 Of course, they all vary (V11-1, T11-1, M 12-1, B9-10, M whatever the room can handle, C & R as indicated). Kinda depends on the gig and the playing situation.
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Post by bwags on Oct 17, 2006 20:04:12 GMT -7
It's aMAZing: You guys seem to have very nice band members Have decided steel guitar players are the loudest musicians on the planet. ;D kinda reminds me of the saying "What do you throw to a drowning steel player?" Both his amps ;D
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Post by bwags on Oct 17, 2006 20:05:46 GMT -7
It's aMAZing: You guys seem to have very nice band members ---------- bwags, Jason's used...nay, beat upon...this amp a few times...it's set up similarly to his. Believe his last pummelling was set something along the lines of: V: 1:00 T: 12:00 M: 1:00 B: 10:00 Master: Dimed C: 9:00 R: off or to where just barely audible...like 8:00 Of course, they all vary (V11-1, T11-1, M 12-1, B9-10, M whatever the room can handle, C & R as indicated). Kinda depends on the gig and the playing situation. Was Jayson playing through the high gain channel?On my amp this would be pretty dirty for a country tone.I'm also using a NR Maz38 so maybe it's a little gainier.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 18, 2006 10:24:02 GMT -7
Was Jayson playing through the high gain channel?On my amp this would be pretty dirty for a country tone.I'm also using a NR Maz38 so maybe it's a little gainier. 1st input. Uses volume knobs and pedals a bit along with the tone control and picking technique, and various OD stomps flavors to adjust the gain. They were more country-rock shows, so the amp was wide open and a little hairy. Less Volume (11:00) will clean it up as will the Master anywhere below 1:00. He admittedly likes to run a little heavier on the mids. I will add this - Jayson and I run fairly similar setups...pedals, amps, amp tweaks, guitars (tele/strat variations)...and we sound like 2 completely different folks onstage. I've heard Jayson thru Peavey, Rivera, various Z's, Fenders...and Jayson simply sounds like Jayson. The gear is a tool, but the tone's definately from him (ear/style/etc). I've even goofed with the amp after an evening at the 'track' with the knobs where he left them and it doesn't sound like him...just sounds like me with a little different EQ. Would experiment with some settings in the ranges: V: 11-1 T: 11-1 M: 12-2 B: 9-11 M: <1 Easiest thing it to plug a guitar in and dial the amp. then turn on the toys inbetween the guitar/amp and do a little fine tuning.
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Post by Curt on Oct 18, 2006 13:26:19 GMT -7
Dan I had along conversation last night with an younger begining player, bottom line is each one of us sounds like "US" no matter what we play through, the little things we feel and hear elude all lthose istening it seems, often times even bands mates.
I vary between Tele, Strat and Lesters and Route 66, KT45, Ghia, MAZ Sr and Jr, Sewell Classic and TexaPlex, Vintage Fender Pro, Princeton.....still me.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 18, 2006 18:11:11 GMT -7
bottom line is each one of us sounds like "US" no matter what we play through. Ditto...except for those who drop tune a PRS and plug direct into a Mesa Rec...you'll pretty much sound just like ________[insert New Metal band: Nickleback, etc.]). [no flaming, I actually got that setup for some studio stuff for that exact reason] I vary between Tele, Strat and Lesters and Route 66, KT45, Ghia, MAZ Sr and Jr, Sewell Classic and TexaPlex, Vintage Fender Pro, Princeton.....still me. Like those Sewell amps. Played w/Steve Rhian's a time or two. Moved from Dallas before I could make a trip to meet with Doug...that and I just L*O*V*E*D my Route 66!! ;D
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Post by Curt on Oct 18, 2006 19:22:07 GMT -7
The Sewells are very cool, just not cooler than Z amps, I could certainly live with a Sewell TexaPlex 50 full time. Steve's a moster Tele wacker ain't he? I'd like to catch up with him and the rest of the DD gang soon, Jerry Amalfitano hooked me up with Steve. Dougs amps are catchin' fire and he can not keep up, good to see IMO. It'd be cool if you can make it out on the 17th.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 19, 2006 9:32:17 GMT -7
Steve's a moster Tele wacker ain't he? It'd be cool if you can make it out on the 17th. Amazing player and equally humble. Really great cat!! Gonna try for the 17th...depends on our show time/location/aftershow dilly-dally (i.e. schmoozing).
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Post by JChance on Oct 19, 2006 10:32:33 GMT -7
It's aMAZing: You guys seem to have very nice band members Not necessarily nice, but more likely hearing impaired. Believe it or not, the Maz Sr. isn't loud enough for my present touring ensemble. Have decided steel guitar players are the loudest musicians on the planet. ;D I've toyed with running a different preamp tube config, colder power tubes and getting Ceramic speakers for more clean headroom live. Ridiculous! ---------- bwags, Jason's used...nay, beat upon...this amp a few times...it's set up similarly to his. Believe his last pummelling was set something along the lines of: V: 1:00 T: 12:00 M: 1:00 B: 10:00 Master: Dimed C: 9:00 R: off or to where just barely audible...like 8:00 Of course, they all vary (V11-1, T11-1, M 12-1, B9-10, M whatever the room can handle, C & R as indicated). Kinda depends on the gig and the playing situation. Dude, your next Z needs to be a KT-45 if you need headroom. It's my new favorite ( or, 2nd favorite! ) Z for versatility. I played through Myles', and it rocked my socks. VERY punchy and aggressive. Killer clean tones, but still with a Brit flavor. Made me really start jonesin' for a 6545 after a/b 'ing with the SRZ-65. BUT... I still can't believe you're having headroom problems with your 38. I think you and I may have opposite speaker setups than what we really want. Maybe you need the ceramics and I need the alnicos. I dunno... But remember, I also told you that you ought to experiment with the speakers in your Avatar cab in your MAZ 38. The H30/V30 will definintely be bolder and louder than the smoother and softer Weber alnicos. Then put the Webers in your Avatar and your Route 66 will be tamed enough to use it more...Might be just the ticket for getting a little more punch out of the 38 when you play with that loud-a$$ed steel player... J
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Post by Curt on Oct 19, 2006 12:12:05 GMT -7
Dan, Following up on what Jason say's above, next gig in/near Houston I can bring out my KT45 and let you try it out.
Curt
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 19, 2006 21:48:08 GMT -7
Dan, Following up on what Jason say's above, next gig in/near Houston I can bring out my KT45 and let you try it out. Curt Cool. I'd love to give one a whirl. Appreciate the offer! Dw.
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Post by (8^D) on Oct 19, 2006 22:05:51 GMT -7
BUT... I still can't believe you're having headroom problems with your 38. I think you and I may have opposite speaker setups than what we really want. Maybe you need the ceramics and I need the alnicos. I dunno... But remember, I also told you that you ought to experiment with the speakers in your Avatar cab in your MAZ 38. The H30/V30 will definintely be bolder and louder than the smoother and softer Weber alnicos. Then put the Webers in your Avatar and your Route 66 will be tamed enough to use it more...Might be just the ticket for getting a little more punch out of the 38 when you play with that loud-a$$ed steel player... Yeah, it's pretty nutz! But, I'll be rollin' off the gig in 2 weeks (except for some backlined sub work here/there) so it won't matter... Haven't tried the alnicos with the R66. But, did try the V30/G12H30 w/the Sr. Loved the tone, but wasn't quite right for the gig...the alnicos sound great, just needed a few more clean horses behind them. Do like the ceramics in the Jr. though...along with the general design of the amp it really has a Marshally character.
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Post by JChance on Oct 19, 2006 22:50:54 GMT -7
Remind me to tell you a story about Mel Tillis' brother, known as "The Bread Man." It will have a funny relationship to the situation that you have in that gig-- ;D
J
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Oct 20, 2006 3:57:28 GMT -7
I'm with Curt. I play my MAZ 38 NR head through either a Z open back 2X12 with Blues or a stock Z-Best 2X12. I also start with the bass off and raise it, usually very slightly, until the low E responds. This is the exact same way BW sets the bass on his 38. My master full up, mids from 10:00 to 1:00 depending on the guitar, treble 11:00 to 12:00, cut around 9:00. Volume is set for the room, usually between 9:00 and 1:00. This is *loud* through either speaker setup. I usually use the Low input. This setup is also what I usually put on the MAZ 18 NR head through the same speakers.
PDW
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Post by bwags on Oct 21, 2006 0:47:35 GMT -7
I'm with Curt. I play my MAZ 38 NR head through either a Z open back 2X12 with Blues or a stock Z-Best 2X12. I also start with the bass off and raise it, usually very slightly, until the low E responds. This is the exact same way BW sets the bass on his 38. My master full up, mids from 10:00 to 1:00 depending on the guitar, treble 11:00 to 12:00, cut around 9:00. Volume is set for the room, usually between 9:00 and 1:00. This is *loud* through either speaker setup. I usually use the Low input. This setup is also what I usually put on the MAZ 18 NR head through the same speakers. PDW This is how I run my Maz 38 NR except I'm using the high input.My amp has so much bottom that I can't get it much past 8:30.Is this normal?I'm not pushing the amp that hard.Master is full and volume is at 9:00
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Post by Curt on Oct 21, 2006 9:07:33 GMT -7
Speaker makes a HUGE difference, What speaker are you using?
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Post by bwags on Oct 21, 2006 9:53:54 GMT -7
Speaker makes a HUGE difference, What speaker are you using? Blue/G12H running at 16ohms.
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Post by hunter6726 on Jan 8, 2007 23:11:39 GMT -7
My experience with Webers is that they are not as efficient as the Celestions. I use a 50 watt blue dog alnico in my Stingray. This helps me control the volume some.
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Post by cementman on Jan 9, 2007 19:12:59 GMT -7
hey dan,,, w-e-l-l-e-r... this is james down in SE kansas. where you gonna be the week of the 19th thru the 27th? i am going down to dallas town maybe, i have a blonde 6545 (and a blonde z 2/10 cab) that i would love to hear you play through it live. it has a myles rose tube set up that sounds really smooth. where are you playing? i dont want to sell it, just thought we might be in the neighborhood. james
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Post by (8^D) on Jan 10, 2007 20:11:22 GMT -7
hey dan,,, w-e-l-l-e-r... this is james down in SE kansas. where you gonna be the week of the 19th thru the 27th? i am going down to dallas town maybe, i have a blonde 6545 (and a blonde z 2/10 cab) that i would love to hear you play through it live. it has a myles rose tube set up that sounds really smooth. where are you playing? i dont want to sell it, just thought we might be in the neighborhood. james Hi James! Hope the holidays were good to you. Appreciate the offer! Would love to plug into that rig sometime - but, I'm still 'on vacation' in the KC metro until early Feb. BTW, the Sr is rockin'... ;D
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Post by buster on Feb 21, 2007 23:55:10 GMT -7
I would like to mention that I have found that with a 12ax7 in the Phase inverter position I run my volume between 10 and 12 oclock and the rest of the settings are close to Jaysons settings. While with a 12at7 in the phase inverter I run the volume at around 12-2 oclock and the amp is louder and cleaner. Both through input 1. I wonder what tube everyone has in their V5 position. Buster
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