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Post by jaystewart on Sept 26, 2008 12:23:53 GMT -7
Just picked up new Z28 w/ 2 10's. I play for major Christian Country artist. Seeking tele/country/spank (ie., Mason, Hiland, Paisley... aren't we all?). Love the amp so far. Pedal board currently has Boss Compressor; Boss DD-3 Dig Delay; Ibanez TS-808; Radial Tonebone Hot British; Boss Stereo Chorus; George Elliot volume pedal. Thinking of swapping Boss compressor out for Keely compressor. Also need to upgrade delay. Any thoughts on what works well with Z 28? Any other suggestions based on experience that have worked well with this amp? Primary guitars include G & L ASAT Custom Classic and Fender Tele w/ stock p/u. Thanks in advance for responses.
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Post by Bill on Sept 26, 2008 13:19:54 GMT -7
In order, Keeley compressor, BB pre amp, RC booster, Z-28. I'm also quite happy plugging straight in if need be, so long as the amp can be cranked!
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Post by psj1026 (Pete) on Sept 27, 2008 9:58:22 GMT -7
I gave up on compressors but I am a rock player so I didn't really need it. I use a Maxon AD999 delay with very good results considering it needs to be put in front of the amp. I also have the BB/RC as Bill suggested and I can cover everytrhing form country to rock with a Paul/Strat and Tele. Can't go wrong with Xotic effects.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 27, 2008 11:51:00 GMT -7
BB from Xotic, Sole Pressure from Hao, Flying Dragon from Lizard Leg and my ol' Boss Chorus have all worked very well with the '28. ;D Usually with a Tele, Super Sport or H150. Using the older style 210 cab. And, all controls sittin' around 1:00 on the dial. cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by jordanbunte on Oct 9, 2008 19:10:43 GMT -7
Trying to revive this thread......
I'm looking to buy a few pedals to put in front of my Z28, and am baffled by the sheer numbers of what's available these days. I'm specifically looking for a delay (will consider analog and digital), overdrive, reverb (tube tank or digital), and perhaps a clean boost pedal.
I typically play rock / blues and can get away without pedals for the most part, but I'd like to get some opinions on which one's you guys consider "keepers." Also, i couldn't care less about who makes it (ie. the name Keeley or Fulltone won't be enough of a reason to buy something). Any info you guys have would be great.
I wish we could get a poll going (ie. OD pedals - Fulltone, TS808, Keeley, Boss, etc.).
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Post by fishman on Oct 9, 2008 20:01:35 GMT -7
Sounds crazy but for delays, which I really like, I use the old Dan Echos...the BIG ones...metal bodies etc. I know, sounds craZy but its true.... Short of a real tape echo I have found that these sound the best. I usually use two, sometimes three at a time....can get some tones that are really really fat.... I also used an old Ibanez rack mount DM1000, great delay as it has the old slower chip that Ibanez used in its pedal delays, also the same chip used in the old maxon delays. I have had a EchoPlex, and a Korg Stage echo , Rolands as well as a Univox tape echo, sleeper.... I now have about a dozen Dan Echos and one Ibanez rack DM1000 220 volt model, for some reason this one sounded better than the other so I kept this one... YMMV of course For dist/OD I use a Barber Direct drive....and an original Marshall Blues breaker and an old MXR Distortion ......my go to is the Barber, can do all sorts of things and really well...good pedal, cheap price...won something like pedal of the year from Guitar Player...not sure exactly but I think that was it. I have had tons of OD/dist/fuzz (the first ones!-wish I still had those) and for all round good sound and ease of operation I like the Barber...and they stand behind them as I had an issue and it was corrected and returned without question and done right. Have had no issues since that was 3 years ago. I have a marshall compressor that I don;t use much....would like to try a barber tone press, if its as good as his others its worth a shot. I don;t use a compresser very much , maybe I should use one more but for whatever reason I don;t... Chorus, I have an old boss blue box two control pedal...speed - depth, pretty much does it. Frankly most of the time its just the guitar and some delay....thats about it. Don;t use reverb, funny I played fenders forever and loved the reverb, got the Z's dont even miss it. Amps sound killer as is. I did have an Ibanez 80's rack mount compressor, analog chorus, analog delay, and a parametric EQ, like the ones on the Fender Super Twins. Wish I would have kept that....had alot of good sounds in there.. In any event, thats what after 45 years of playing I now use..in that time I have gone thru a boatload of equiptment of all kinds and tons of pedals....wahs, volume pedals, pedal boards, rack mounts, well you get the idea. I have decluttered and cleaned up to this point....the next step would be nothing at all, I have done that and its quite supriseing to hear how you REALLY sound..... Everyone is different music wise, perception wise, application wise etc. For the sound that I like and hear what I have gets me to that place, or as close to that place as I have ever been. One thing you can;t buy that worked for me when trying to "get" that sound, or that lead or whatever was that once I said to myself "You can play that " and actually believed it I was amazed and still am at what comes out . I quit worrying about how do I do this or that or is this going to be right and changed to a more positive approach and things really got much better....it really started with Sultans of Swing. I had to learn that lead note for note, or PDC to it. I was intimidated and stressed, then decide that maybe I could pull this off....and I did...and the rest is history..l.HA the point I am shooting at here, and lucky for all that I took the short way around is that I have found that the more I play , the better I play and the better I play the more I want to get to the real sound....for me that ment deleting the effects that masked more than they enhanced....it worked for me, may not be that way for you. The beauty of Z amps is that you can stick a Wombat in front of it and it would sound great. Good luck
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Post by asattwanger on Oct 10, 2008 2:49:32 GMT -7
LovePedal E6 - I should stop pointing this out, but if you keep the amp set clean and the pedal set up at propper level and 9 Glass and 9 on the drive. I think that is a great driven tone that keeps alot of the attck intact with is not Paisley, but great country style drive. The same setting with the amp cranked with give you that high gain Marshall sound that will turn heads.
The Empress Super Delay is unbeatable. Check effects section for info and links
DAVE
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Post by jordanbunte on Oct 11, 2008 8:06:56 GMT -7
Thanks guys. I'll definitely check out some of those pedals.
ASATTWANGER,
I was reading in the 'Effects' section about LovePedal's. Are there different models of what you have? Difference?
Thanks again!
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Post by asattwanger on Oct 11, 2008 16:18:01 GMT -7
[glow=blue,2,300]E6[/glow]
It's one of the newer pro board models. It not compressed and has more gain on tap than the regular Eternity. Super sweet sounding pedal. I will say by it's self in higher gain setting it's a bit bright. So, I use it with a FB-2 set with a little drive. This adds a little body that rounds out the E6 in high gain sounds, but down low on a clean of amp it's sweet. Like I said the Z-28 cranked up like 12,12,3 or more, it's like turning it into a Marshall. A really really good Marshall.
DAVE
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Post by prsplayer on Oct 12, 2008 6:30:39 GMT -7
I don't know how many of you guys have tried one -- but the Klon smokes with just about anything. I think it's the most un-pedal sounding pedal out there.
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Post by jordanbunte on Oct 13, 2008 20:58:44 GMT -7
Thanks for the recommendations guys.
I've looked at overdrives for the last few days and have given myself numerous headeaches.
Maybe I should just buy another Z and an A/B-Y box. =D
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Post by greenz on Nov 7, 2008 12:43:53 GMT -7
This one will surprise you.
It seems to work best with V30's or any speaker with high end
VOX AMPLUG AC30 model
Sounds best with the fender style Z's
it will make you raise an eye brow.
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Post by deacon on Nov 17, 2008 12:31:54 GMT -7
I spent some of this past weekend trying out a bunch of different OD and clean boost pedals in front of my Z-28. The pedals were: - Fulltone OCD
- Keeley Mod TS-9
- TS-9
- Sparkle Drive
- Zendrive
- T.C Jauernig Luxury Drive
- Xotic RC Booster
My favorites from Sparkle Drive (for clean boost) and OCD (for gain). HTH Trying to revive this thread...... I'm looking to buy a few pedals to put in front of my Z28, and am baffled by the sheer numbers of what's available these days. I'm specifically looking for a delay (will consider analog and digital), overdrive, reverb (tube tank or digital), and perhaps a clean boost pedal. I typically play rock / blues and can get away without pedals for the most part, but I'd like to get some opinions on which one's you guys consider "keepers." Also, i couldn't care less about who makes it (ie. the name Keeley or Fulltone won't be enough of a reason to buy something). Any info you guys have would be great. I wish we could get a poll going (ie. OD pedals - Fulltone, TS808, Keeley, Boss, etc.).
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Post by jordanbunte on Nov 17, 2008 13:58:12 GMT -7
Hey Deacon. Thanks for the reply.
I actually used to have a Sparkle Drive, and they are great pedals. Now I'm using a Fulltone Fat Boost 2 for clean stuff though. I use a Full-Drive 2 Mosfet for more gain, but have been interested in the OCD pedal. For some reason, I've never tried one. The Zen is also on my list of things to try. Xotic BB's are terrific for that Marshall sound, and like an idiot, I passed on buying one for $105 a few weeks ago. What a doof.
Glad to hear the amp is working out well for you.
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Post by deacon on Nov 17, 2008 14:17:34 GMT -7
Hi Jordan I've got a v3 OCD and I really love it. I tried it out as a clean boost when I was going through all those other pedals this weekend, but I liked a couple of the others better for clean boost. I know there's a lot of discussion about which version of the OCD is best. The only one I've used is my v3 and I like it just fine. I had the Sparkle Drive set all the way up on the clean knob, tone was about 1:00. I think volume was around 12:00, but I'm not positive. Gain was all the way off. I use both the Zendrive and the OCD when I play through a couple of my amps (MusicMan RD50 and my '73 Deluxe Reverb). The Zen is quite a bit darker sounding than the OCD, so I usually have it EQ'ed with the tone knob turned way up ... around 3:00 or so. Hey Deacon. Thanks for the reply. I actually used to have a Sparkle Drive, and they are great pedals. Now I'm using a Fulltone Fat Boost 2 for clean stuff though. I use a Full-Drive 2 Mosfet for more gain, but have been interested in the OCD pedal. For some reason, I've never tried one. The Zen is also on my list of things to try. Xotic BB's are terrific for that Marshall sound, and like an idiot, I passed on buying one for $105 a few weeks ago. What a doof. Glad to hear the amp is working out well for you.
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Post by greenz on Dec 4, 2008 1:09:44 GMT -7
Actually I'm having a bit of a problem with OD/distortion.
Anything that has a compensated output(recording/cab simulation) sounds great, anything that doesn't sounds like running a pedal into a hi-fi system "wasps in a jar" fizzy treble.
At first I thought it was my cabinet a Mesa Recto V 30 loaded vertical 2 X 12
Then I tried an open back 1 x12 with a celestion copy (non V-30) same thing.
What I have tried:
Koch Pedaltone
VHT ST-50 preamp out (no comp)
VOX AC-30 AMPLUG
H&K Cream Machine
H&K Metal Shredder
A Treble booster (no comp)
The odd thing is all the tube devices are preamps designed to go into a poweramp and the speaker does most of the frequency filtering.The '28 is a -for the most part a clean platform not unlike a Fender BF (forgive me for the comparison master)
Also you'll notice the absence of any SS OD/Dist in the list
So I haven't tried any of the typical fare.
The Z-28 itself is creating the wasp effect.
I can understand why the cleans are awesome.
So I figure this phenomonae is probably being produced mainly by 2 things:
The EF-86
The transformer coupling (the "corrective design" from the RCA manual)
So it makes me wonder HTH are other people using pedals with this thing?
I can't imagine the typical pedal sounding any different if anything logically they'd be worse.
Simon from Kingsley has a Jester pedal ready for me and I ordered it specifically for the '28.
Now I'm not sure if it would be pointless.
HELP
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Post by arniez on Dec 4, 2008 10:32:26 GMT -7
There must be something wrong with your amp, bad tube something. First I wouldn't consider the Z28 a clean platform, esp with the tone controls past 12. I have tried a Zen Drive, Sparkle Drive, OCD, and Bad Monkey and all of them sound great. Doc's ef86 preamps are known for their ability to inhale pedals. I'd change your tubes, ef86 and 5751 one at a time and see if that is the problem. Replace your power tubes in matched pair. If you want the amp to be more aggressive swap the 5751 with a 12ax7. Obviously check your cables as well. If none of that works send it back to Dr Z for a check-up. ArnieZ
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Post by greenz on Dec 4, 2008 12:38:51 GMT -7
There must be something wrong with your amp, bad tube something. First I wouldn't consider the Z28 a clean platform, esp with the tone controls past 12. I have tried a Zen Drive, Sparkle Drive, OCD, and Bad Monkey and all of them sound great. Doc's ef86 preamps are known for their ability to inhale pedals. I'd change your tubes, ef86 and 5751 one at a time and see if that is the problem. Replace your power tubes in matched pair. If you want the amp to be more aggressive swap the 5751 with a 12ax7. Obviously check your cables as well. If none of that works send it back to Dr Z for a check-up. ArnieZ How long ago was your accident?
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Post by fishman on Dec 4, 2008 19:00:26 GMT -7
I would take out the chassis, box it, mail it to the Z guys and wait for the return... as any of us know that have sent amps back for a once over, when they come back they are like the 6 million dollar man, better, stronger, more soulful than before... when my 28 came back it was stellar....it still is. seems they are much more liberal with the magic dust when they are dealing inpatient. save yourself the stress, send it in ...you will be more than glad you did...
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Post by greenz on Dec 4, 2008 23:05:45 GMT -7
I would take out the chassis, box it, mail it to the Z guys and wait for the return... as any of us know that have sent amps back for a once over, when they come back they are like the 6 million dollar man, better, stronger, more soulful than before... when my 28 came back it was stellar....it still is. seems they are much more liberal with the magic dust when they are dealing inpatient. save yourself the stress, send it in ...you will be more than glad you did... LOL! The magic dust indeed! The problem could be that The EF-86 is becoming increasingly microphonic so I e-mailed support and asked what could be done.The dealer I purchased the amp from doesnt carry preamp tubes. My amp is not quite 3 months old so Brent F said the tubes were still under warranty. Apparently they intend to send me a NOS Tung Sol ! Thx guys! I hope this first step will be the one that resolves the issue of the amp. If not I'll do what you suggest and send them the chassis. BTW I got a Z-best cabinet tonite!
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Post by arniez on Dec 5, 2008 6:18:59 GMT -7
There must be something wrong with your amp, bad tube something. First I wouldn't consider the Z28 a clean platform, esp with the tone controls past 12. I have tried a Zen Drive, Sparkle Drive, OCD, and Bad Monkey and all of them sound great. Doc's ef86 preamps are known for their ability to inhale pedals. I'd change your tubes, ef86 and 5751 one at a time and see if that is the problem. Replace your power tubes in matched pair. If you want the amp to be more aggressive swap the 5751 with a 12ax7. Obviously check your cables as well. If none of that works send it back to Dr Z for a check-up. ArnieZ How long ago was your accident? Is that supposed to be funny? You're having a problem with your amp and I took the time to offer some valid suggestions. My accident was to take the time to try to help. My rig sounds great BTW! ArnieZ
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Post by 6strang (aka Paul) on Dec 5, 2008 7:35:39 GMT -7
Hey ArnieZ, I agree with your post my Zen Drive, and Bad Monkey sound great with the Z28. Thanks for your post and please continue to share your input. Happy Holidays!
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Post by greenz on Dec 5, 2008 14:48:47 GMT -7
How long ago was your accident? Is that supposed to be funny? You're having a problem with your amp and I took the time to offer some valid suggestions. My accident was to take the time to try to help. My rig sounds great BTW! ArnieZ Valid? not most of them.I will leave it to you to figure that out I mean it's almost a bit sad you haven't. The tube suggestion was the best you had since this amp uses a EF-86 a tube prone to microphonics. My '28 came stock with a Sovtek EF-86.That choice seems strange and incongruent to the rest of the amps philosophy. Choosing to put a microphonic low quality tube in a amp that I purchased has actually cost me time, money($90-so far) and frustration.
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Post by arniez on Dec 6, 2008 7:06:37 GMT -7
Is that supposed to be funny? You're having a problem with your amp and I took the time to offer some valid suggestions. My accident was to take the time to try to help. My rig sounds great BTW! ArnieZ Valid? not most of them.I will leave it to you to figure that out I mean it's almost a bit sad you haven't. The tube suggestion was the best you had since this amp uses a EF-86 a tube prone to microphonics. My '28 came stock with a Sovtek EF-86.That choice seems strange and incongruent to the rest of the amps philosophy. Choosing to put a microphonic low quality tube in a amp that I purchased has actually cost me time, money($90-so far) and frustration. greenz, Congratulations! I'm so impressed with your obvious superior intellect, wit, and knowledge that I clearly must defer. You are also to be congratulated for becoming NEWB who most quickly establishes himself as an a-hole. Good Luck with your amp, Z28's are great. No need to respond I'm done with this! ArnieZ
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Post by greenz on Dec 6, 2008 14:19:04 GMT -7
Valid? not most of them.I will leave it to you to figure that out I mean it's almost a bit sad you haven't. The tube suggestion was the best you had since this amp uses a EF-86 a tube prone to microphonics. My '28 came stock with a Sovtek EF-86.That choice seems strange and incongruent to the rest of the amps philosophy. Choosing to put a microphonic low quality tube in a amp that I purchased has actually cost me time, money($90-so far) and frustration. greenz, Congratulations! I'm so impressed with your obvious superior intellect, wit, and knowledge that I clearly must defer. You are also to be congratulated for becoming NEWB who most quickly establishes himself as an a-hole. Good Luck with your amp, Z28's are great. No need to respond I'm done with this! ArnieZ Oh no your not done with with this Mr.panties in a bunch-wants the last word in and make it personal. You are a overly sensitive glass half empty kind of person. You might want to try taking criticism with a bit more grace. You could have viewed and treated my original comment with a bit of humour. You could stand to be a bit more perceptive. You should be able to evaluate the "lay of the land" (This isn't HCAF) If you are looking for an "A-hole" that is what you will find.The more you react as if I am, the bigger an A-hole I will become. You know- "It takes two" Love is the only true intelligence and my ego is subserviant to it. Desire and choice. Take care brother.
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Post by arniez on Dec 7, 2008 8:26:31 GMT -7
greenz PM sent
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Post by mangoman on Dec 7, 2008 9:03:43 GMT -7
C'mon guys. Its the Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Festivus Season. Give each other a hug.
Life's too short to do this!!!
have a good one. Hope you all are good.
Mango
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Post by blackice on Dec 7, 2008 9:35:43 GMT -7
AMEN!
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Post by 6strang (aka Paul) on Dec 7, 2008 9:59:53 GMT -7
WTF? Over?
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Post by arniez on Dec 7, 2008 10:41:29 GMT -7
Over as far as I'm concerned! PM I sent to greenz was only to offer my perspective and keep it off the board. There will be no more negativity from me on this. No hard feelings either! ArnieZ
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