Mogens
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Post by Mogens on Sept 6, 2008 8:12:15 GMT -7
Are there anybody out there in cyberspace, who uses a stand for a combo or maybe even for the speakercab? It would seem a good idea for better sound (-spreading/-direction - since we don't have ears on the knees) - both the audience and the other guys in the band might benefit. Have you any idea of which types (K&M, Rockstand,??) that are of so good quality, that they can take a Dr Z 1x12 (or even a 2x12) combo? Or do you consider a combo-stand too nerd-like? Because I don't think, I have seen any pictures from stage-acts, where you see a combo mounted in a stand...(a speakercab could - or should? - be mounted too, the head could be standing on the flightcase beneath).
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Post by amakitalo on Sept 6, 2008 9:06:57 GMT -7
I use a stand all the time. It's sturdy enough for my 2 X 12 cab, or I could use it for a combo if I had one. It works great by directing the sound right up to where I play so I can definitely hear myself. It also helps dispersing the sound nicely into the audience. We often do not mic the guitars on smaller gigs, so for me a stand is a must. Unfortunately it is in the practice space so I can't take pictures of it and post.
Why would you consider one nerd-like? Never even thought of it that way.
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Mogens
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Post by Mogens on Sept 6, 2008 11:57:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the ansver. You are of course right - it is not nerd-like. It is just, that I have never seen a stand at any live concert, on dvd, pictures of shows or anything (maybe I haven't looked properly, maybe the big stars mike-up, so it does'nt matter) and then I maybe think my friends will joke at the guy coming with yet another piece of "equipment" - but a stand is a practical device, that might make you(r) sound better both in front of the audience and of the rest of the band. There seems to be 2 types: a kind of stand with two L-shaped "things" to support the combo and another type, that looks like a keyboard stand at first sight, but can be adjusted by several pins and holes and stuff to fit a combo. The last one looks a bit more sturdy, but I am not sure.
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Post by amakitalo on Sept 6, 2008 12:53:10 GMT -7
If I remember to take my camera with me next Tuesday when we practice, I'll post pictures.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Sept 6, 2008 12:54:07 GMT -7
I have a custom made amp stand manufactured by Dr. Z.
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Mogens
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Post by Mogens on Sept 6, 2008 13:11:13 GMT -7
Hmm that's exactly what I mean! When do you ever see back-tilted combos? Beautiful stand by the way, and if it costs around $30 like the Rockstand, I am in for it! And then I love the red Z-combos - I got to have one to match my Dacota-red Strat!
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Mogens
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Post by Mogens on Sept 6, 2008 13:32:58 GMT -7
PS: Maybe not an issue at all, but what about heat-dissipation? When you back-tilt a combo, it would seem, that the heat would have slightly more difficulty "getting away".
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Post by bluzman on Sept 6, 2008 18:30:35 GMT -7
There are some gigs where the soundman politely asks the guitar players to tilt their amps so they don't blow the audience away... At these places I usually use a Maz Jr. combo with a Genesis Ultimate Amp Stand that tilts.
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Post by Lefty on Sept 7, 2008 7:09:48 GMT -7
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Mogens
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Post by Mogens on Sept 7, 2008 12:25:17 GMT -7
Wow, that Wedge one I have never seen before. It seems ok with the tilt, but no back-support and no lifting-up...
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Post by janlf on Sept 20, 2008 6:47:19 GMT -7
Hi.
A stand is most useful in quite a few playing situations, but I found to that a wedge do work better sounds wise. I tend to loose a lot of bottom and lower midrange with a stand though, so preferred is cab right on the floor.
JanLF
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Post by janlf on Sept 20, 2008 6:47:48 GMT -7
And.. I do like that Z special stand better than any other... ;D Gsus
JanLF
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Post by iluvpunz on Sept 20, 2008 7:43:58 GMT -7
I use a Standback stand with my Maz Jr combo. It works great! I am able to retain bottom end because the amp is still on the ground. It is quite adjustable and folds up quite nicely to fit in my gigbag or in the amp. There is a link to them on the Z main page on the right hand side.
I always use a stand. It helps keep the amp from firing right past me. I can hear myself better, and speakers don't blow people in the front row away. Our band hosts a jam night once a week at a local club. It is quite common for guest guitarists using their own amps to not be able to hear themselves, but be far too loud when not using a tilt back stand.
I think you don't see stands on large stages because the performers are using in ear monitors, which essentially block out external noises. If you are playing smaller to medium size venues a stand for your amp or speaker cab is really important.
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Post by sparrowhawk (Bob) on Sept 20, 2008 7:49:47 GMT -7
It is just, that I have never seen a stand at any live concert, on dvd, pictures of shows or anything (maybe I haven't looked properly, maybe the big stars mike-up, so it doesn't matter)... I've seen the Stones many times. Both Keef and Ronnie play through combo amps that are on stands and tilted back. If it's ok for them.... Regarding heat dissipation, I wouldn't worry about it. My day job directly involves industrial equipment that requires the management of high temperature, and I've got a degree in a field that required several classes in heat transfer. The math is a bit complex, but suffice it to say that for an open-backed cabinet tilting the amp will have a minimal effect on the temperature of the guts of the amp (assuming, of course, that the back is not obstructed). For the record, I used to use a stand for my Maz38 1x12 combo, but after lots of "experimentation" with elevated stands, tilt-backs, etc. I think it sounds best when it's flat on the floor. That's just me, ymmv, etc. But amp positioning is a form of tweaking, which seems to be part of the tone quest for all of us. Tweak on, brother!
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Post by jhumber on Sept 28, 2008 1:59:16 GMT -7
I use a Standback stand with my Maz Jr combo. It works great! I am able to retain bottom end because the amp is still on the ground. It is quite adjustable and folds up quite nicely to fit in my gigbag or in the amp. There is a link to them on the Z main page on the right hand side. I always use a stand. It helps keep the amp from firing right past me. I can hear myself better, and speakers don't blow people in the front row away. +1 to everything said there. The StandBack amp stand really is such a clever design. Cheap, sturdy, discrete, and folds up to store in the back of your amp. I've used one at every gig for a year or so now, never failed me.
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