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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Jul 13, 2008 10:46:22 GMT -7
Hi all! I'm going around and around w/ the decision to buy a Z28 or RXES Jr. One of the things I'm concerned about is being able to get some OD at a "reasonable" volume. I know that is very subjective. I'm not talking bedroom levels. I'm talking about not blowing the doors out of a small club to get some natural power tube overdrive. I also know that the OD is very dependent on the tone settings on that little monster. Where about do you start to get some nice OD w/ the Z28? Thanks, Rich
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Post by psj1026 (Pete) on Jul 13, 2008 11:30:10 GMT -7
Very little b4 noon and it's loud on the 28. I don't know about the RXES Jr. That amp has my attention though. I really like the 28 with a boost or OD and I think I might like the RXES better than the Maz at this point. My guess would be the RX gets you there much quicker.
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Post by flem on Jul 13, 2008 13:50:18 GMT -7
Very little b4 noon and it's loud on the 28. I don't know about the RXES Jr. That amp has my attention though. I really like the 28 with a boost or OD and I think I might like the RXES better than the Maz at this point. My guess would be the RX gets you there much quicker. Same here, clean before noon, dirty after noon, I use an airbrake for OD sounds in smaller spaces. The RXJR has a master volume for low level pre amp OD and is approx 15watts vs 22watts for the Z28. So for YOUR OD purposes the RXJR may be the better amp, but the tone of the RXJR and Z28 is very different where the RX leans british and the Z28 leans american. You may want to check out the MazJr as well, and possibly an airbrake.
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Post by aj1169 on Jul 13, 2008 15:34:23 GMT -7
It actually depends on where you have the tone controls set on the 28. Crank the bass and treble up around 3 o'clock and I'm getting some nice crunch sounds with the volume at about 10 o'clock with my Tele. It's not enough drive for saturated leads at this level, but it's a great semi dirty crunch rhythm tone. Setting the tone controls higher pushes a hotter signal through the amp and brings on the OD sooner.
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Post by asattwanger on Jul 13, 2008 16:11:00 GMT -7
If your talking about a Duo band set up with recorded backing tracks { I do this } you will not get there. If your talking about playing in band with a bass player and drummer playing rockin roll. I don't think I would want much more than the 22 watts the Z-28 puts out.
I have been told that dirty sounds are the RxJr speciality in a band setting.
DAVE
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Jul 13, 2008 19:39:56 GMT -7
Thanks for the responses.
I have a MAZ Jr NR now. It is a fantastic little amp. I'm looking for something voiced a little different to add to my sound. My concern w/ the RX Jr is that it might be a little too close to the MAZ's tonal spectrum. I listened to some of the clips w/ the MAZ Jr and the RX Jr together, and while they sounded somewhat different, they were also similar.
I'm leaning toward the Z28 for the 6V6 sound w/ the EF86 pre. Plus I like the idea of 22 watt. I also have been reading a little on the Route 66. For those that have both, which breaks up faster? I was thinking the Z28 would because of its lower power (22 vs 32watts), but I've read here that some feel the Z28 has more clean headroom. I like to dwell in that "hairy" area where a twist of a volume knob on the guitar can take me from fairly clean to some nice dirt (not metal, just Black Crowes, AC/DC, early Rush, etc.).
I had the opportunity today to mess w/ a '68 Fender Princeton Reverb in immaculate condition. W/ the volume dimed, I could go from nice crisp clean to some great dirt w/ the twist of a volume knob on a strat. That sound is what I am looking for, but w/ a tad more power. Any suggestions?
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Post by sudsysul on Jul 14, 2008 7:22:53 GMT -7
The thing you mentioned fbb is that it's "subjective," and therein lies the problem with internet discussion about headroom, clean, dirty, break-up and so on. Throw in speaker and cabinet variable, single coil or 'buckers, and endlessly different venues and it gets ever more confusing.
I think if you fall back to the 22 watts of 6V6 power, and if you assume that formula can get you about where you want where you play, you will be safe with a Z28. It IS a loud 22 watts, but either a OD pedal or an Airbrake can control your volume for you. From my perspective it is better for an amp to be loud and then take it down to where you need to be for that just right tone and breakup.
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