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Post by sae2111 on Mar 24, 2008 19:31:15 GMT -7
Any big pros or cons either way? Price wise they seem to be about the same. I had a 75 or 76 twin that was less than reliable (even after having it serviced) but I'm not willing to let one bad apple ruin it for the bunch. I'm looking at all aspects. Reliability, road-worthiness, tone, potential for modding, the whole 9 yards.
Cheers
Seth
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Post by groovergeorge on Mar 25, 2008 2:38:32 GMT -7
I must admit I'm not that big a fan of Fenders new line of mass produced products.
If you can wait the Doc is soon going to release his version of a Fender blackface circuit amp like a twin. The new 65 ri's don't sound that much like the old ones are have printed circuit boards. If you have your heart set on a twin then my advice would be to get an older non master volume silverface and have it modified to blackface specifications or pick one up that has already been done on evil bay.
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Post by Fiestared69 on Mar 25, 2008 5:24:49 GMT -7
Silverface all the way !! at least you will have something you can have worked on and one that will probably be worth a little more down the road!
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Post by sae2111 on Mar 25, 2008 6:45:08 GMT -7
I must admit I'm not that big a fan of Fenders new line of mass produced products. If you can wait the Doc is soon going to release his version of a Fender blackface circuit amp like a twin. The new 65 ri's don't sound that much like the old ones are have printed circuit boards. If you have your heart set on a twin then my advice would be to get an older non master volume silverface and have it modified to blackface specifications or pick one up that has already been done on evil bay. I'm afraid my budget on this one is around 600-700, so waiting for the Evan wouldn't do me much good anyway. I'm by no means sold on a twin, that just seemed the way to go. I want a 6L6 amp to use alongside my Ghia. Whatever I end up with will be used only for cleans, so I want lots of headroom. I'd love to hear alternatives to the twin.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 25, 2008 9:55:18 GMT -7
If you don't need effects you could probably buy a blackface Bassman or Showman head for about that. You should be able to find a silver twin reverb with issues like wrong speakers, for about that. The silver amps are not really that bad. Peter Green and Danny Kirwan still sound great and that's what they used a lot on Then Play On and Blues Jam In Chicago. In the long run the silver amp will be worth more than a RI.
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Post by sae2111 on Mar 25, 2008 16:39:33 GMT -7
Never mind. Problem solved. Spent a little more but, you only live once right. :-)
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Post by myles on Mar 25, 2008 17:14:04 GMT -7
Never mind. Problem solved. Spent a little more but, you only live once right. :-) Great amp but it is only a 30 watter with 6L6s ... not really a Twin Reverb at 100+ watts. But you will be able to turn it up and get the output stage to distort without the police coming
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Post by myles on Mar 25, 2008 17:22:32 GMT -7
Silverface all the way !! at least you will have something you can have worked on and one that will probably be worth a little more down the road! Actually, the reissues are a piece of cake to work on if you arn't a hack and they don't need to be worked on much as they are very reliable. In fact, so many of the older silver face amps have been messed up by techs that should not be techs or "modded" that the reissue will be more reliable in the long run. Either way ... either reissue or silverface are darn cool amps if you want one of the ultimate amps in the clean headroom department short of the Ampeg 100 watters with the Altec Lansing speakers in them when its the combo version. There is really little like a twin or showman (short of a Tone-Master) which gives you even more .... huge clean tones off the left side of the amp and some ultimate rock tones (Joe Perry, Heart, Jeff Beck, and others) off the right side of the amp. Add to the footswitchable nature TWO transformer isolated effects loops and the cool Bruce Zinky design that lets the amp run at 30, 60, 100 watts into 16 ohms and the ability to plug any cab from 4-16 ohms directly into the thing and it is about as good as it gets for a monster amp. If you find one look for the serial number ones on a white label with black printing rather than the typical Fender stamped into the chassis serial number. The later ones had the white sticker and were made after production stopped and were made on request for major artists that wanted one of these. Many of these folks got 2,3,4 or more of them and then discovered that ONE was more than enough and sold off the others. Since these were generally custom order for big name players they were put together with even more care than the originals and the originals were darn spectacular to say the least. The later ones also had a few changes from Bruce Zinky incorporated that made them even better.
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Post by myles on Mar 25, 2008 17:28:20 GMT -7
I must admit I'm not that big a fan of Fenders new line of mass produced products. If you can wait the Doc is soon going to release his version of a Fender blackface circuit amp like a twin. The new 65 ri's don't sound that much like the old ones are have printed circuit boards. If you have your heart set on a twin then my advice would be to get an older non master volume silverface and have it modified to blackface specifications or pick one up that has already been done on evil bay. It is pretty easy to make the reissue keep pace with the original with a few very inexpensive changes. I have put some reissues that I have worked on side by side with the original 64 BF that Carl Verheyen has and side by side with John March's (Zen Blues Quartet) Blackface and in the case of John March he went out and bought a reissue from Guitar Center and had me upgrade it. I am doing the same thing for Carl Verheyen down the road so we can put away his original and take 2 reissues on the road ... one USA and one Europe amp. They are in his "clean" side of his rig (one Twin Reverb and one AC30). His "rock" side of the rig is an SRZ-65 (two of those too ... one US and one lives in Europe) and a 100 watt plexi Marshall driven off the SRZ-65 which is the heart of his rig. The SRZ-65 replaced his original 50 watt plexi Marshall which is now in retirement.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 25, 2008 18:31:23 GMT -7
Oh man, I've been studying those Allen Brown Sugars for a while. Everything I want in an amp, really. Cathode bias, 15" speaker, reverb, and 53 pounds isn't that bad. There's one on ebay right now for $1,450, lightly used. No it won't be twin loud but who needs that? I once took my blackface Twin Reverb to a club and a/b'd it against my 50 watt Marshall 1987X 1/2 stack. The Twin was way louder! More than the 3 db you'd expect. So the Allen being 30 watts sounds about right. It can also run 6V6s and a 5Y3 and be 15 watts. I've sort of been holding off for Docs Evan amp but I think he's dropped the cathode bias concept because he's been calling it the EZG50. I just may have to do the Allen instead.
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Post by sae2111 on Mar 26, 2008 14:31:07 GMT -7
Oh man, I've been studying those Allen Brown Sugars for a while. Everything I want in an amp, really. Cathode bias, 15" speaker, reverb, and 53 pounds isn't that bad. There's one on ebay right now for $1,450, lightly used. No it won't be twin loud but who needs that? I once took my blackface Twin Reverb to a club and a/b'd it against my 50 watt Marshall 1987X 1/2 stack. The Twin was way louder! More than the 3 db you'd expect. So the Allen being 30 watts sounds about right. It can also run 6V6s and a 5Y3 and be 15 watts. I've sort of been holding off for Docs Evan amp but I think he's dropped the cathode bias concept because he's been calling it the EZG50. I just may have to do the Allen instead. It's only day two, but I have only good things to report. I've been tracking some guitars on a song one of my buddies wrote so I've been able to spend a good deal of time playing. These tone controls are responsive! I love the RAW control. Nice touch. I have to tip my hat to the previous owner. JJ power tubes and NOS preamp tubes, and he changed the speaker out for a Weber. Just what I was looking for to use along with my Ghia.
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Post by sae2111 on Mar 26, 2008 14:33:10 GMT -7
Speaking of the Ghia - now that I can set up the CG for rock only and not worry about saving headroom, any tube swaps that will take the rock up a notch?
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Post by myles on Mar 31, 2008 16:05:28 GMT -7
Speaking of the Ghia - now that I can set up the CG for rock only and not worry about saving headroom, any tube swaps that will take the rock up a notch? 12AX7 in the phase inverter slot (v2) rather than the 5751 will give you an even more agressive amp.
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