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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 23, 2006 18:29:16 GMT -7
Were there different verb pans used in the maz 18's. I sold my 2x10 which was really sweet sounding (mistake) and later bought a 1x12. (couldn't live w/o the jr) The reverb in the new one is way to wet, springy sounding. My other maz 18 did not sound this way. It was suttle and smooth. The new one sounds like it is under water and I barely turn it on.
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 23, 2006 19:04:02 GMT -7
Be sure that the 12AT7 is in the right position and/or be sure someone didn't put a 12AX7 in the reverb driver position.
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 24, 2006 1:31:28 GMT -7
I checked it and changed it. Still sounds bad.
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 24, 2006 9:02:45 GMT -7
www.tubes and more sells reverb tanks. I replaced my short tank in my Maz 38 with a large tank long delay. Wrong for me. I should've tried a short or medium decay. They are not expensive. The bag in my amp was plenty big enough to hold the long tank.
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 24, 2006 10:38:28 GMT -7
after doing research, I have a long delay tank in my amp. I bet if I went to a medium it would sweeten things up.
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 26, 2006 14:09:03 GMT -7
has anyone else tried different tanks?
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Post by JChance on Jul 26, 2006 17:46:58 GMT -7
I've got the original large tank, long decay tank in my MAZ 18 (a 2004 model). It sounds good, but it's pretty wet. I usually set the 'verb and no more than 8:00, 9:00 MAX. For recording, it's turned off completely. When I got my MAZ 38 (2005), it had the short tank, long decay. And it was REALLY wet. I replaced it with a medium decay, and now the 'verb is much more useable. But, keep in mind, I don't like much reverb at all. Just a slight splash, and I can live without it completely. I used to think that I *HAD* to have reverb in an amp, having grown up mainly around old Fenders. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably have opted for the NR versions on both my 18 and 38. I love my amps, though, so no reason for a change...
J
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Post by BW on Jul 26, 2006 18:16:50 GMT -7
I wish I could find a reverb tub that the airlines and bus rides/fedEx couldn't destroy. I finally have removed the tub from both my 230v and 120v Senior heads...I just put 'em in my carryon and hook up the rca plugs ( I have the cables from the amp sticking out the back out from under the rear grill..) I'd go digital if I could find one I liked, all I want is a touch of reverb! No **** Dale.
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 26, 2006 19:41:10 GMT -7
I'm holding out to hear the new T-Rex.
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Post by BW on Jul 28, 2006 22:34:41 GMT -7
I'm holding out to hear the new T-Rex. I thought Marc Bolan was dead. ;^)
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Post by DRZ on Jul 29, 2006 7:22:44 GMT -7
Hunter try a 5751 in V4 to tame the over active reverb tub.
I must say I'm sorry about the trouble with reverb tubs, but to be honest it's not my fault. Morley/Accutronics has lost the recipe for getting the dwell correct on there tubs. I believe it has to do with an old machine that winds the small input and output transducers, but I have heard many different stories from them through the past couple of years , as well as other amp manufactures that also complain.
I ALWAYS used #2 delay time reverb , I always thought it sounded the most natural not as strong as Fender's old reverb more like Ampegs. Then a few years ago I had problems with tubs and there sound, very weak reverb with extremely short decays. I would get tubs that sounded like Ray Guns and were prone to feedback, I worked with Morley engineers only to find they met Morley's specs, but literally sounded like arse.
It is tuff to when your dealing with the only supply for old spring reverb tubs, and have no alternative when they go bad.
Well things did start to get better , now I only reject 10% of the tubs I pay for, down from 40 % reject rate of just a couple of years ago.
Not sure if things will go back to pre-2002 reverb tanks but I will be fighting for that. I have had to change models used , I use a small size 3 spring tub with a # 3 ( LONG ) delay to closely simulate the 3 spring big tub with a #2 ( MEDIUM ) delay of the past.
it is funny some old Fender guy's like the newer long delay better, and others find using a lower gain 5751 in V4 ( Reverb recovery stage ) does the trick.
I used to have a full head of hair before this reverb problem arises , now on shipping days of many reverb combos I pull my hair out by the handful. We fight to get the best sounding reverb amps out of our inventory of tubs on hand.
DR.Z
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 29, 2006 8:49:15 GMT -7
It's obvious that they aren't the same as they used to be. Sorry to hear about the grief Doc! Digital reverbs sound so springlike now that it won't be long before everyone just says f-it and builds that into their amps and their industry will wither up and blow away. Too bad.
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Post by chipstar75 on Jul 29, 2006 20:37:26 GMT -7
my maz came with a bad tub. UPS strikes again ! Doc sent me a new one. So it would seem that not only are they not as good as the old ones, they are also more fragile as well. No wonder only the maz has reverb, if all Z amps had reverb, Doc would be bald by now ! I prefer spring over the digital stuff. Morley doesnt seem to care about quality? We need to find someone who does ! ....I know ...Christler,Jeep ! a new question for"ask Dr.Z! We need to find a reverb that has JD power associates seal of approval!
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 29, 2006 21:32:32 GMT -7
Hunter try a 5751 in V4 to tame the over active reverb tub. I must say I'm sorry about the trouble with reverb tubs, but to be honest it's not my fault. Morley/Accutronics has lost the recipe for getting the dwell correct on there tubs. I believe it has to do with an old machine that winds the small input and output transducers, but I have heard many different stories from them through the past couple of years , as well as other amp manufactures that also complain. I ALWAYS used #2 delay time reverb , I always thought it sounded the most natural not as strong as Fender's old reverb more like Ampegs. Then a few years ago I had problems with tubs and there sound, very weak reverb with extremely short decays. I would get tubs that sounded like Ray Guns and were prone to feedback, I worked with Morley engineers only to find they met Morley's specs, but literally sounded like arse. It is tuff to when your dealing with the only supply for old spring reverb tubs, and have no alternative when they go bad. Well things did start to get better , now I only reject 10% of the tubs I pay for, down from 40 % reject rate of just a couple of years ago. Not sure if things will go back to pre-2002 reverb tanks but I will be fighting for that. I have had to change models used , I use a small size 3 spring tub with a # 3 ( LONG ) delay to closely simulate the 3 spring big tub with a #2 ( MEDIUM ) delay of the past. it is funny some old Fender guy's like the newer long delay better, and others find using a lower gain 5751 in V4 ( Reverb recovery stage ) does the trick. I used to have a full head of hair before this reverb problem arises , now on shipping days of many reverb combos I pull my hair out by the handful. We fight to get the best sounding reverb amps out of our inventory of tubs on hand. DR.Z Thanks Doc I will try that.
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 29, 2006 21:46:50 GMT -7
I recently hooked up my Holy Grail pedal up last inline after my effects, then into the front of my Stang Ray. Tell the truth it is one of the best reverb sounds I've ever heard from an amp. I have a reissue Fender tube reverb also. I haven't tried it because I'm not hauling another box to a gig but the HG sounds so good it wouldn't be worth the extra effort to haul the Fender around. My HG does have a whine that becomes noticeable if the amp is turned up all the way but I never turn it up more than 1/2 way thru the low input and I have the cut just barely on so i don't notice the whine under the circumstances that I use it. It also might be better if i use the correct power supply and not the One Spot. My point is, for me, some of the digital reverbs are really good, IMHO. Good enough to easily give up real spring reverb. The HG sounds a lot better than the reverb in my Maz 38, sorry Doc. I know how hard you tried. One time i tried the tank from my Fender reissue tube reverb and it sounded perfect but it's one of the early ones so it may be a better tank than is available now.
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 30, 2006 18:07:35 GMT -7
I use a holy grail with my stingray. It is great. Mine has a good bit of noise in it though.
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