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Post by docholiday11x on Dec 28, 2022 12:36:47 GMT -7
Hello, appreciate any advice here. I got a Maz 18 Mk II specifically because it sounds great at low volume. I play at home in an apartment and looking for speaker recommendations.
Currently I have the M65 Creamback installed as it came with the amp. Never tried the anniversary speaker so curious what peoples thoughts are on that model as well as any Alnico speakers.
I play mostly blues and rock, gain slightly dirty to fully cranked.
Looking forward to hearing what ya'll think.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Dec 28, 2022 12:51:03 GMT -7
Celestine Blue.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 28, 2022 20:42:49 GMT -7
The G12H is great in the Maz 18. Probably not a ton different than the 65 at low volume. I also has an Alnico that the builder described as a mix between a Blue and a Gold. That was the only thing I ever liked better than the G12H.
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Post by docholiday11x on Dec 29, 2022 11:56:57 GMT -7
Thank you, torn between the G12H and the Blue. Listening to youtube comparisons but its hard to get a good feel with youtube compression. Might end up going with both. I do plan on putting together a 2x12 and I hear they mix well.
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Post by bigez on Dec 29, 2022 22:12:02 GMT -7
great topic. i love both the g12h and the blue in this amp, and i usually play at lower volumes. i actually think they both sound brighter at lower volumes than the 65, which i think you’d want. i have the blue in mine now because the g12h has too much low end for some of my guitars and the blue just works with everything. i also tried a greenback, which i really like…it has nice papery mids but maybe not as nice highs. good luck!
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Post by MattHays on Dec 31, 2022 15:49:59 GMT -7
You can't go wrong with any speaker when it comes to a MAZ 18, but the Weber Blue Dog Alnico has stayed with me the longest, for low volume or high. Best of luck on your tonequest.
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Post by docholiday11x on Dec 31, 2022 16:36:08 GMT -7
great topic. i love both the g12h and the blue in this amp, and i usually play at lower volumes. i actually think they both sound brighter at lower volumes than the 65, which i think you’d want. i have the blue in mine now because the g12h has too much low end for some of my guitars and the blue just works with everything. i also tried a greenback, which i really like…it has nice papery mids but maybe not as nice highs. good luck! Just ordered a blue. Looking forward to trying it out
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Post by docholiday11x on Jan 3, 2023 17:41:52 GMT -7
Ok so I got the blue. Sounds great clean but when the gain is cranked it sounds pretty fizzy and loses a lot of the note separation. Do you think this will change when the speaker breaks in?
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Post by adam on Jan 3, 2023 18:12:33 GMT -7
Ok so I got the blue. Sounds great clean but when the gain is cranked it sounds pretty fizzy and loses a lot of the note separation. Do you think this will change when the speaker breaks in? I don't know for sure, but in general when a speaker loosens up and breaks in, the low end becomes more prominent which balances out the highs. That's not just true in guitar speakers, but in really expensive studio monitors too. There's a guy on YT named Dave Rat who has a lot of videos on lots of different audio subjects and is maybe worth checking out. In one of the videos he explains how important balance is. Like you can take a concert 3-way system and just listen to the highs, and it kills you. Same with the mids and the lows. When you balance those out, we no longer perceive the highs as being really loud or harsh, or even loud. You can also get that same thing if you listen to isolated tracks of guitar. Like the recorded guitar sound you thought you heard and sounded great, sounds like absolute crap in isolation without having that low end reinforcement of the other instruments which balance the whole thing out. I think you get what I'm saying, but solo'd, the guitar might sound bright or fizzy. In band context, it might sound perfect. Just try to keep an open mind and not draw an initial conclusion, which I think goes against our human nature to be honest. Note separation - I hear the same thing with my Alnico gold and whatever the higher wattage version is (I don't have a blue). But also, there's a complexity of detail in the alnico magnets (I think). Maybe it give it some time and let it be what it is for while and then see how it works out for you.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Jan 3, 2023 18:39:38 GMT -7
Yes, the Blue needs breaking in. Out of the box they are stiff and ratty sounding. They need a good cranking to get going and once they do, they do.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Jan 3, 2023 18:45:55 GMT -7
That’s one thing I dislike about Celestion, they over-dope the surrounds and the spiders are too stiff. I usually try to loosen up a new one by hand, pushing the cone to excursion carefully as to not distort the cone or move it out of the gap. One good thing about Weber is you can specify how much, if any dope.
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Post by docholiday11x on Jan 3, 2023 18:51:25 GMT -7
Ok so I got the blue. Sounds great clean but when the gain is cranked it sounds pretty fizzy and loses a lot of the note separation. Do you think this will change when the speaker breaks in? I don't know for sure, but in general when a speaker loosens up and breaks in, the low end becomes more prominent which balances out the highs. That's not just true in guitar speakers, but in really expensive studio monitors too. There's a guy on YT named Dave Rat who has a lot of videos on lots of different audio subjects and is maybe worth checking out. In one of the videos he explains how important balance is. Like you can take a concert 3-way system and just listen to the highs, and it kills you. Same with the mids and the lows. When you balance those out, we no longer perceive the highs as being really loud or harsh, or even loud. You can also get that same thing if you listen to isolated tracks of guitar. Like the recorded guitar sound you thought you heard and sounded great, sounds like absolute crap in isolation without having that low end reinforcement of the other instruments which balance the whole thing out. I think you get what I'm saying, but solo'd, the guitar might sound bright or fizzy. In band context, it might sound perfect. Just try to keep an open mind and not draw an initial conclusion, which I think goes against our human nature to be honest. Note separation - I hear the same thing with my Alnico gold and whatever the higher wattage version is (I don't have a blue). But also, there's a complexity of detail in the alnico magnets (I think). Maybe it give it some time and let it be what it is for while and then see how it works out for you. Thank you that’s a lot of good insight. I’ll definitely give it a run for a few months and see how it takes on. Worst case scenario if I don’t like it I can probably pair it in a 2x12 with something to make an interesting sound.
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Post by docholiday11x on Jan 3, 2023 18:53:01 GMT -7
That’s one thing I dislike about Celestion, they over-dope the surrounds and the spiders are too stiff. I usually try to loosen up a new one by hand, pushing the cone to excursion carefully as to not distort the cone or move it out of the gap. One good thing about Weber is you can specify how much, if any dope. Thank you for this. I was just trying to explain to my fiancé that speakers need to break in and she replied with “why”. I had no idea lol. Since I only play around 80db at home do you think it will just take longer to break in?
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Post by adam on Jan 3, 2023 19:03:23 GMT -7
Thank you for this. I was just trying to explain to my fiancé that speakers need to break in and she replied with “why”. I had no idea lol. Since I only play around 80db at home do you think it will just take longer to break in? celestial has some documentation somewhere on their site about what to do. I think my monitors said something like play stuff pretty loud with lots of bass and dynamics for 20+ hours. 80db doesn't sound like a lot, but I think the cone has to be actually visually moving to do anything. Don't quote me on that, but it makes sense to me. And the 2x12 thing, I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2023 10:55:09 GMT -7
I'll second the vote: Your blue will have more bass once the speaker is broken in. As others have said, all that shiny doping on the front edge of the cone is restrictive when you first get the speaker. It keeps the speaker from moving back and forth as it should. (Which effect the bass the most) And a blue isn't known for a lot of bass in the first place. New speakers like the blue and a V30 can sound rather nasal when first played. (because there's a lack of bass) Once the speaker cone can move more freely, the bass/mid/treble is more balanced as the speaker intended.
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