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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 17, 2022 8:09:11 GMT -7
I've got a problem. I have a 2011 LP Junior Special with a pair of P-90s, and I love the guitar. But I can't take the hum from the P90 pickups. I like to play with a lot of drive and I really dig the snarl of those old P-90s.
Can you recommend me a pair of noiseless P-90s? Seymour Duncan, Lindy Fralin, maybe Kinman? I'm kind of leaning toward the Duncans but I'd really like to hear from any of you who've tried the noiseless P-90s.
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Post by pcns on Oct 17, 2022 8:48:23 GMT -7
how about if I wind you a set and see if you like what you hear. If you love them you can buy them off me, if you don't, send 'em back
The problem with noiseless P90s is the same problem with noiseless single coils. They can sound really good but they don't really sound like P90s because they are really a humbucker so they sound different.
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Post by helmi on Oct 17, 2022 8:49:58 GMT -7
Try Fralin. HE actually answers the phone (or his wife) half the time. A great guy to talk to. I don’t know if BG makes a noiseless. there humbucker sized P-90’s are pretty nice. also try Lollar.
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Post by helmi on Oct 17, 2022 8:55:29 GMT -7
The problem with noiseless P90s is the same problem with noiseless single coils. They can sound really good but they don't really sound like P90s because they are really a humbucker so they sound different. We can send spaceships to other planets, and our phones basically do everything but, well you know, but we can’t make a proper noiseless single coil or P-90! I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a 3-way toggle that I can actually get, bridge only/middle only/ neck only with the switching. this world just isn’t fair! Is this really so much to ask for?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Oct 17, 2022 9:12:43 GMT -7
how about if I wind you a set and see if you like what you hear. If you love them you can buy them off me, if you don't, send 'em back The problem with noiseless P90s is the same problem with noiseless single coils. They can sound really good but they don't really sound like P90s because they are really a humbucker so they sound different. Sounds good, Todd. Let's do it.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Oct 17, 2022 9:33:16 GMT -7
If Todd’s pickups are anything like his cables, you may have just bought your set of pickups.
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Post by Ridgeback on Oct 17, 2022 9:41:49 GMT -7
What a nice offer Todd. Looking forward to the review. I had a set of noiseless P-90s (Kinman, if I remember correctly) in an older Crook Tele. Loved the guitar but the pups had none of the character of "regular" P-90s. There have probably been advancements in noiseless pup design in the last 20 years. I hope they work out for you.
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Post by dcarver on Oct 17, 2022 10:24:23 GMT -7
how about if I wind you a set and see if you like what you hear. If you love them you can buy them off me, if you don't, send 'em back The problem with noiseless P90s is the same problem with noiseless single coils. They can sound really good but they don't really sound like P90s because they are really a humbucker so they sound different. What a great offer. Very cool Todd. So are the Pleasure Garden P903's a true single coil ?
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Post by pcns on Oct 17, 2022 11:33:49 GMT -7
how about if I wind you a set and see if you like what you hear. If you love them you can buy them off me, if you don't, send 'em back The problem with noiseless P90s is the same problem with noiseless single coils. They can sound really good but they don't really sound like P90s because they are really a humbucker so they sound different. What a great offer. Very cool Todd. So are the Pleasure Garden P903's a true single coil ? Yes they are
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Post by dixiechicken on Oct 24, 2022 1:30:12 GMT -7
DC here!
I changed out my P-90 pickups on my 1968 Les Paul some 7-8 years ago - for Seymour Duncan "P-90" stacks. To get rid of the hum. How ever there are 2 caveats.
1) They are not exactly noiseless - even if they are hum cancelling. You will always have some noise from the amp, the cables etc etc - albeit very slight - depending on the situation.
2) They are stacked -that is: there are two windings on top of each other - wich means that the height of those pickups are higher than the regular P-90:ies. You will have to deepen the pickup cavities the make them fit beneath the strings.
I did just that - I took a hammer and a chisel & chipped away at the pickup cavities until I could fit the "pups" there.
( yes I know I know - but I dont care about original -
I only care about usability/playability, my instruments have to work for me)
Nothing is original on my Les Paul these days, re-fretted with stainless steel freets and pleked. The pickups of course, the old **** Kluson tuners is switched out for Grover tuners,
the bridge is a new one since the old one had caved in - like they sometimes do. Lets not forget the present owner - i.e myself - not the original owner either.
All this said - the SD P-90 stacks sound good - maybe not exactly the same sound but pretty close. I believe that some tweaking on your amp/s can get you - almost there
Cheers: Dixiechicken!
PS On my Warmoth Telecaster I have the Seymour Duncan Tele Vintage stacks To my ears - admittedly not the sharpest tools in the toolbox" - they sound very close the regular Tele pickups. DS
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Post by pcns on Oct 24, 2022 6:21:13 GMT -7
DC comments are very good. There are a lot of great sound sounding noiseless pickups. They work great and really do eliminate the hum that drives some of us nuts!
You just need to be ready that these will sound and feel different from your original single coil pickups. Pick attack can change and the overall compression can changed because the output of these types tends to go up. They can sound less open (some like and some dont). The top end response can also suffer because the noiseless do cancel and band of frequencies and their harmonics (again, some like and some dont).
Like anything else you change in your signal path, including cables, amps, tubes, speakers and guitars. In order to properly evaluate if something is going to work for you, you need to be willing to turn the knobs on everything in your chain to see how effects you sound and if you can get what you want. This includes every pedal on your board and the amp.
God bless, Todd
Pro Cables N Sound Greenville Pickups
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Post by GuitarZ on Oct 24, 2022 7:24:31 GMT -7
I echo Todd & DC. I also have a '68 Les Paul (Gold Top). I went with the Dimarzio Virtual P90's a number of years back. Their design intent was to capture the classic P90 sound in a humbucker design and fit in a standard P90 cavity.
As Todd & DC state, the sound/feel does change some. But, I thought Dimarzio did a pretty good job and was generally happy with the results with one exception. I laughed at myself because the one thing that I could not warm up to was the two coil look after seeing P90s in there for 20+ years. Thus, I'm back to my original soap bars.
I think you know what you're after. And, you're in good hands. I'll be interested to know how it goes.
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Post by jmb on Oct 31, 2022 12:49:56 GMT -7
I recently bought a Suhr JM with his P90 pickups. With his Active SSCII system, the P90's are perfectly quiet. If you want the hum, you simply disconnect the 9 volt battery. The neck, fretwork and pickups are great. Highly recommend his guitars.
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Post by pcns on Nov 1, 2022 13:08:00 GMT -7
I wound a "Noiseless" P90 today and installed it in one of my guitars.
It is a ton quieter than the stock Pleasure Garden P90 in the neck possition.
Joshua took it up stairs to beat on it and bit and gave me a thumbs up when he came back down. He is back up stairs playing an Epiphone with a set of standard PG P90s in it. I'm waiting for him to come back down with a report. . . . .
Here is the report . . . the PG P90s are hairier sounding and noiseless sound more like a humbucker (because they are, ha ha) with a P90 flavor.
I'm going to try a different magnet and see if I can get more of the upper mid bite going. . . more to come
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Nov 1, 2022 20:04:43 GMT -7
I wound a "Noiseless" P90 today and installed it in one of my guitars. It is a ton quieter than the stock Pleasure Garden P90 in the neck possition. Joshua took it up stairs to beat on it and bit and gave me a thumbs up when he came back down. He is back up stairs playing an Epiphone with a set of standard PG P90s in it. I'm waiting for him to come back down with a report. . . . . Here is the report . . . the PG P90s are hairier sounding and noiseless sound more like a humbucker (because they are, ha ha) with a P90 flavor. I'm going to try a different magnet and see if I can get more of the upper mid bite going. . . more to come I love it when a plan comes together! Can't wait to try the finished products out in my LP Jr. Special.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 4, 2022 14:56:53 GMT -7
I have Lollar P-90s in my Collings 290 and one Lollar P-90 in my Nash T-57 and I don’t notice any hum at all. I highly recommend them.
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Post by bubs42 on Nov 4, 2022 15:36:05 GMT -7
I have a guy that does all my winding for me, but I did have the pleasure if playing the Pleasure 90’s. Very quiet, even with a grain soaked distortion in front of a ZLux. If the P90’s are done right they are quiet.
I think the Pleasure 90’s are fantastic and if anyone is looking for P90’s you can’t miss.
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