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Post by redzsrock on Apr 12, 2022 18:34:58 GMT -7
Just curious… Which input do you use with the Ray?
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Post by adam on Apr 13, 2022 5:26:52 GMT -7
I don't have one, so neither!
But, I wonder if it's like the Maz series, and if so, that's a really cool thing that I think is overlooked a bit. It really changes the character of the amp on the MAZ, like brightness, compression, attack, etc. I think it's kind of a hidden feature, like it could it could be on a switch and you'd think it was a cool tonal feature, but it's hidden in the jack. Sometimes I like either one more depending on what I'm going for, and I'm "guessing" the Stand Ray is similar? Regardless, I think it's a great feature on the Maz.
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Post by doctorice on Apr 13, 2022 5:54:45 GMT -7
I don't have one, so neither! But, I wonder if it's like the Maz series, and if so, that's a really cool thing that I think is overlooked a bit. It really changes the character of the amp on the MAZ, like brightness, compression, attack, etc. I think it's kind of a hidden feature, like it could it could be on a switch and you'd think it was a cool tonal feature, but it's hidden in the jack. Sometimes I like either one more depending on what I'm going for, and I'm "guessing" the Stand Ray is similar? Regardless, I think it's a great feature on the Maz. I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison.
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Post by Don A on Apr 13, 2022 9:18:06 GMT -7
I don't have one, so neither! But, I wonder if it's like the Maz series, and if so, that's a really cool thing that I think is overlooked a bit. It really changes the character of the amp on the MAZ, like brightness, compression, attack, etc. I think it's kind of a hidden feature, like it could it could be on a switch and you'd think it was a cool tonal feature, but it's hidden in the jack. Sometimes I like either one more depending on what I'm going for, and I'm "guessing" the Stand Ray is similar? Regardless, I think it's a great feature on the Maz. I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison. Wow! I've been playing Fender (and other) amps for over 40 years and never realized that you can do this! It makes sense, of course, but I never thought of it!
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Post by adam on Apr 13, 2022 15:46:39 GMT -7
I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison. I didn't know that... pretty darn cool. Sort of a lead boost in itself if you are concentrating on the low input. Thanks
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Post by Righty on Apr 13, 2022 16:13:09 GMT -7
I use the low input on my Stang Ray head most of the time. In most of the places I play I can barely get the volume past 2.2 or so and I usually use a Z shorty 1x12 cab w/Celestion G12M-65 Creamback. If I'm catching heck from the sound guy I'll use an AirBrake on the 1st or 2nd click. If we're playing outdoors I might use the Hi input.
I've read on here where some can tell the difference in sound between the low and hi inputs but I've found if I match the volume between the two I can't really notice.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Apr 13, 2022 16:23:33 GMT -7
I don't have one, so neither! But, I wonder if it's like the Maz series, and if so, that's a really cool thing that I think is overlooked a bit. It really changes the character of the amp on the MAZ, like brightness, compression, attack, etc. I think it's kind of a hidden feature, like it could it could be on a switch and you'd think it was a cool tonal feature, but it's hidden in the jack. Sometimes I like either one more depending on what I'm going for, and I'm "guessing" the Stand Ray is similar? Regardless, I think it's a great feature on the Maz. Adam, I think you, and all CAZ owners already have a modified hi/low option in the form of a potentiometer. It’s a little more complex than that, but I believe the aggression knob alters the input signal at the very beginning of the signal chain. Definitely a badass approach with the ultimate versatility.
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Post by Norrin Radd on Apr 13, 2022 18:08:31 GMT -7
I always use the High input. I don’t know why, just something about it resonates with me.
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Post by doctorice on Apr 14, 2022 4:41:45 GMT -7
I don't have one, so neither! But, I wonder if it's like the Maz series, and if so, that's a really cool thing that I think is overlooked a bit. It really changes the character of the amp on the MAZ, like brightness, compression, attack, etc. I think it's kind of a hidden feature, like it could it could be on a switch and you'd think it was a cool tonal feature, but it's hidden in the jack. Sometimes I like either one more depending on what I'm going for, and I'm "guessing" the Stand Ray is similar? Regardless, I think it's a great feature on the Maz. Adam, I think you, and all CAZ owners already have a modified hi/low option in the form of a potentiometer. It’s a little more complex than that, but I believe the aggression knob alters the input signal at the very beginning of the signal chain. Definitely a badass approach with the ultimate versatility. That's correct, Todd. But it's Sensitivity knob at the front end. There's also a Gain control right at the front. The combination provides immense flexibility.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 14, 2022 5:42:54 GMT -7
The Low Input shunts or bleeds 6dB (half the input signal) to ground, at least in Fender amps. My Maz 8 measures 1 meg Ohm on the High Input and 134 K Ohms on the Low Input. My 67 Blackface Deluxe Reverb measures 1.1 Meg Ohms and 154 k ohms on the Low Input, so it's close.
The Low Input can have an effect on the guitar's tone. It can remove some high frequencies from the guitar pickup signal, so along with volume you lose a little bit of brightness in your tone. That change is influenced by the capacitance of your guitar cable. More capacitance = more high frequency attenuation. I've always used the High Input for that reason. In my way of thinking, the guitar's Volume Control will have a similar effect on the input to the amp but it'll retain high frequencies better that way. Any tone difference will be minimal if you use a low capacitance cable and plug straight into the amp. Or judicious use of buffers...
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Post by pcns on Apr 14, 2022 8:08:07 GMT -7
I think about the Remedy and Antidote amps that have separate level input controls on the High and Low so you can blend them together. If you open up the high, it is much brighter and crunchier where if you open up just the low, its warmer, fatter and slightly darker. You can blend them two together to make different flavors but it really highlights how the sound is different between high and low input. Todd
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Post by gotmojo on Apr 27, 2022 6:45:09 GMT -7
I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison. Ha, amazing! I too, after all these years never heard of this. Gotta go try it now! jj
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Post by helmi on Apr 27, 2022 17:48:05 GMT -7
I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison. Ha, amazing! I too, after all these years never heard of this. Gotta go try it now! jj Me neither. but that’s why Mike is so much more knowledgeable than most of us!
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Post by doctorice on Apr 28, 2022 7:51:56 GMT -7
Ha, amazing! I too, after all these years never heard of this. Gotta go try it now! jj Me neither. but that’s why Mike is so much more knowledgeable than most of us! I doubt that, Martin. I first read about this years ago right here on Z Talk. It's interesting how little nuggets like this get "lost" and then re-appear.
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Post by JonesKY on Apr 28, 2022 16:24:06 GMT -7
I don't either. But if the inputs are like a MAZ then you can switch between them. Plug the guitar into either jack and put a simple on-off foot switch in the other. Then you can run an a/b comparison. Wow! I've been playing Fender (and other) amps for over 40 years and never realized that you can do this! It makes sense, of course, but I never thought of it! doesn't work on the same channel with BF & SF Fenders plugged into both inputs will be equivalent to the low input only and for some Fenders, jumped channels (like with a Marshall) will result in being out of phase with one another all said, unless you know the circuit and can predict the outcome, simply trying the different inputs may result in a surprisingly cool tone
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Post by Don A on Apr 28, 2022 19:08:30 GMT -7
Wow! I've been playing Fender (and other) amps for over 40 years and never realized that you can do this! It makes sense, of course, but I never thought of it! doesn't work on the same channel with BF & SF Fenders plugged into both inputs will be equivalent to the low input only I just verified that this does work with my 1966 Vibrolux Reverb. I plugged the guitar into input 1 and a cord with a switch on the other end into input 2 on the same channel and was able to switch between the high and low input volume levels.
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Post by JonesKY on Apr 28, 2022 22:47:56 GMT -7
doesn't work on the same channel with BF & SF Fenders plugged into both inputs will be equivalent to the low input only I just verified that this does work with my 1966 Vibrolux Reverb. I plugged the guitar into input 1 and a cord with a switch on the other end into input 2 on the same channel and was able to switch between the high and low input volume levels. agreed - both inputs 1&2 will work simultaneously. but are you saying that plugging into inputs 1&2 at the same time, and switching between them, results in a difference in volume/gain between the two? that's pretty unique, if so. most BF & SF amps level the input gain when both inputs are used, equivalent to plugging into input 2 by itself. all said, if yours has a gain change when switching, then that's a pretty cool feature.
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Post by Don A on Apr 29, 2022 4:13:10 GMT -7
I just verified that this does work with my 1966 Vibrolux Reverb. I plugged the guitar into input 1 and a cord with a switch on the other end into input 2 on the same channel and was able to switch between the high and low input volume levels. agreed - both inputs 1&2 will work simultaneously. but are you saying that plugging into inputs 1&2 at the same time, and switching between them, results in a difference in volume/gain between the two? that's pretty unique, if so. most BF & SF amps level the input gain when both inputs are used, equivalent to plugging into input 2 by itself. all said, if yours has a gain change when switching, then that's a pretty cool feature.
-Plug a cable into input 1. -Plug the other end of this cable into a guitar.
-Plug another cable into input 2 of the same channel. -Plug the other end of this cable into a switch that will connect the cable's tip and sleeve. I used a simple latching footswitch.
When this footswitch is turned on (so the tip and sleeve are connected), it will activate the lower volume sound of both inputs being used at the same time.
Let me know if that explains it.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 29, 2022 11:43:10 GMT -7
Believe it, it works. Not simultaneously, but it actually goes between the two as if you removed your cord and plugged it into the other jack.
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Post by JonesKY on Apr 29, 2022 13:02:15 GMT -7
ah, yes, I've got it... the switch is toggling (shorting) the 2nd input resistor and agreed, it will work for most 2-input (hi/lo) amps inclg BF & SF Fenders thank you for your patience and for re-clarifying so I could (duh) re-read the posts more carefully
I had 1 guitar signal into a 2-output A-B box separately into inputs 1&2 in my mind, and with that I couldn't figure out how the gains wouldn't be the same
thanks again and have a super weekend!!!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 29, 2022 14:19:34 GMT -7
ah, yes, I've got it... the switch is toggling (shorting) the 2nd input resistor and agreed, it will work for most 2-input (hi/lo) amps inclg BF & SF Fenders thank you for your patience and for re-clarifying so I could (duh) re-read the posts more carefully I had 1 guitar signal into a 2-output A-B box separately into inputs 1&2 in my mind, and with that I couldn't figure out how the gains wouldn't be the same thanks again and have a super weekend!!! That's exactly right. I've been building and repairing amps for many years and I never knew about this until it was posted here a few years ago. After thinking about it, the 'yeah, duh' light went off in my head. So simple and cool.
You enjoy your weekend too!
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Post by Don A on Apr 29, 2022 17:23:04 GMT -7
ah, yes, I've got it... the switch is toggling (shorting) the 2nd input resistor and agreed, it will work for most 2-input (hi/lo) amps inclg BF & SF Fenders thank you for your patience and for re-clarifying so I could (duh) re-read the posts more carefully I had 1 guitar signal into a 2-output A-B box separately into inputs 1&2 in my mind, and with that I couldn't figure out how the gains wouldn't be the same thanks again and have a super weekend!!! That's exactly right. I've been building and repairing amps for many years and I never knew about this until it was posted here a few years ago. After thinking about it, the 'yeah, duh' light went off in my head. So simple and cool.
You enjoy your weekend too!
Me too! I've been building and repairing amps for years and learned about this in this thread!
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