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Post by carrjimi on Apr 3, 2022 13:35:22 GMT -7
I'm Looking for a JCM800 and am considering the EMS. Mostly doing high gain rock stuff. Without the effects loop, is it useable with a delay and reverb pedal in front of amp?
I've got a CAZ45 and the effects loop is amazing, it sounds like the ambient effects are part of the amp.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Post by nick0 on Apr 4, 2022 5:48:52 GMT -7
I love the sound of mine straight in. I have messed around a little with a memory man in front. To me it really works like any other amp. If you are driving the front of the amp hard, a little delay or verb in front is usable. But if you pile on the effects, it gets incoherent pretty quick in my opinion. On the other hand, if the amp is set cleaner, you can get some deeper washing wet effects sounding pretty good. All just my opinion and what I prefer. Not sure if this helps.
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Post by nmz on Apr 4, 2022 8:51:34 GMT -7
I use a touch of plate reverb (Wet) with mine. It is subtle but I like it and it seems to handle it pretty good. I believe the can add a metro loop to the EMS if I remember correctly.
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Post by ME on Apr 4, 2022 9:53:19 GMT -7
I’ve had issues with delays and reverbs into my Remedy and would expect the same with an EMS. I can get a good sound that goes to crap when I add boost or fuzz, or I can adjust so the sound is good with the boost, but then it disappears when the boost is off. Using a pedal that has a mix/level control helps, but doesn’t eliminate the issue. The CAZ45 does have a great effects loop which seems to keep the effects under control. I like it. I decided to try wet/dry. The high gain CAZ45 is the clean/effected amp. Not really clean, but that’s not an issue. The Remedy provides the sizzle on top. Adding fuzz or boost it lovely and I still keep it under 100db (mostly) and will be able to keep it lower. The Dr creates great amps and either one alone would do me for what I play, but together, just wow. ME
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Post by Norrin Radd on Apr 4, 2022 13:53:35 GMT -7
I use a touch of plate reverb (Wet) with mine. It is subtle but I like it and it seems to handle it pretty good. I believe the can add a metro loop to the EMS if I remember correctly. I've got a Metro Loop in mine - I'll just say - it's OK. It really seems to be heavily pedal dependent. It really sounds great with Strymon pedals in the loop but anything analog (especially delay) sounds like poop. I think there's a good reason the doc did NOT put a loop in this amp. Although, if anyone could make it work... It has me wishing someone would offer me their CAZ for my EMS. Until that day pops, I'll manage. Analog delay is the 1 effect I just have to have with every amp. I have an Orange RV50 and that handles everything in it's loop like a champ - I bet the CAZ is the same.
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Post by nick0 on Apr 4, 2022 13:54:54 GMT -7
I’ve had issues with delays and reverbs into my Remedy and would expect the same with an EMS. I can get a good sound that goes to crap when I add boost or fuzz, or I can adjust so the sound is good with the boost, but then it disappears when the boost is off. Using a pedal that has a mix/level control helps, but doesn’t eliminate the issue. The CAZ45 does have a great effects loop which seems to keep the effects under control. I like it. I decided to try wet/dry. The high gain CAZ45 is the clean/effected amp. Not really clean, but that’s not an issue. The Remedy provides the sizzle on top. Adding fuzz or boost it lovely and I still keep it under 100db (mostly) and will be able to keep it lower. The Dr creates great amps and either one alone would do me for what I play, but together, just wow. ME Wet dry is a cool way to go. It can make your rig sound huge!
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Post by adam on Apr 4, 2022 16:04:20 GMT -7
Check this out for an idea, and he has a couple more videos explaining it. Maybe also note that he's not using the effect loop for the effect (assuming I grasped that part).
It's somewhat dependent on how the loop in how the loop in the wet amp works. I used to do something similar with a fender blues deville, effect to loop return, and the master on the amp controlled the loudness of the effect, while the presence tailored the eq curve a little. Worked great, and I bet that little fender he's using is similar.
A couple advantages: 1. When you are adding delay to another dry signal, you are "adding" and not lowering the dry signal with a balance control. 2. It keeps your dry tone in tact. 3. Creates physical sonic space.
You could also do this with say the Friedman mic no mo thing and run it into a small powered pa monitor.
Lastly, you could also still use a delay in front of the amp, which I still think is the bomb, but also use in tandem with the wet amp delay and create complete mayhem. 🤘
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Post by carrjimi on Apr 5, 2022 6:26:29 GMT -7
Check this out for an idea, and he has a couple more videos explaining it. Maybe also note that he's not using the effect loop for the effect (assuming I grasped that part). It's somewhat dependent on how the loop in how the loop in the wet amp works. I used to do something similar with a fender blues deville, effect to loop return, and the master on the amp controlled the loudness of the effect, while the presence tailored the eq curve a little. Worked great, and I bet that little fender he's using is similar. A couple advantages: 1. When you are adding delay to another dry signal, you are "adding" and not lowering the dry signal with a balance control. 2. It keeps your dry tone in tact. 3. Creates physical sonic space. You could also do this with say the Friedman mic no mo thing and run it into a small powered pa monitor. Lastly, you could also still use a delay in front of the amp, which I still think is the bomb, but also use in tandem with the wet amp delay and create complete mayhem. 🤘 This would work. When I had a JCM800 in the 80's I just put a Boss dd2 in front set very low. it worked then.... Thanks man
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Post by nicholas on Apr 7, 2022 6:16:18 GMT -7
Check this out for an idea, and he has a couple more videos explaining it. Maybe also note that he's not using the effect loop for the effect (assuming I grasped that part). It's somewhat dependent on how the loop in how the loop in the wet amp works. I used to do something similar with a fender blues deville, effect to loop return, and the master on the amp controlled the loudness of the effect, while the presence tailored the eq curve a little. Worked great, and I bet that little fender he's using is similar. A couple advantages: 1. When you are adding delay to another dry signal, you are "adding" and not lowering the dry signal with a balance control. 2. It keeps your dry tone in tact. 3. Creates physical sonic space. You could also do this with say the Friedman mic no mo thing and run it into a small powered pa monitor. Lastly, you could also still use a delay in front of the amp, which I still think is the bomb, but also use in tandem with the wet amp delay and create complete mayhem. 🤘 That's cool. It's exactly what I do. I use the Suhr Iso Line Out, into delay/reverb, into powered wedge with a built in cab sim. I set the pedals to kill-dry or 100% wet because I don't want any of the dry coming out of the wedge. Just repeats and reverb tails. I use a volume pedal after the effects and before the powered wedge to control the volume level of the wet sounds. It works great. It is particularly excellent for pitch shifters and de tuned effects.
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Post by nicholas on Apr 7, 2022 6:24:20 GMT -7
Another option, though expensive, heavy, and another tube amp to care for... is the PS-2 Power Station. The loop in that is excellent. I have a newer JCM800 reissue with the effects loop and I prefer using the loop on the power station. The PS-2 is pretty much needed for that amp anyway, so I make use of the loop. Once you have one you're golden for any amp loop or not, master volume or not, 100 watts or 1 watt. It's a really nice piece of gear to have around.
But it's expensive going in, and even more expensive when you see the amps you are now open to having lol.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Apr 7, 2022 6:42:15 GMT -7
But it's expensive going in, and even more expensive when you see the amps you are now open to having lol. Boy howdy is that the truth - with a PowerStation suddenly there is no amp, big or small, that’s unusable anywhere.
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Post by adam on Apr 13, 2022 5:32:01 GMT -7
I just stumbled on this video again, and I've talked about how I've used this approach since I first heard about it in say 2005. Anyway, better detail in the video than my words.
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Post by JonesKY on Apr 15, 2022 20:18:32 GMT -7
I'm Looking for a JCM800 and am considering the EMS. Mostly doing high gain rock stuff. Without the effects loop, is it useable with a delay and reverb pedal in front of amp? I've got a CAZ45 and the effects loop is amazing, it sounds like the ambient effects are part of the amp. Any thoughts? Thanks! if the "high gain" is primarily from the amp, then the delay & reverb probably won't work out bc the tails will be excessively amplified. on the other hand, if the amp is fairly clean and you're using pedal(s) for gain, then dialing in delay and reverb after the gain stages should be controllable (duh, obviously ). BUT, for the investment, the best sound will be via wet-dry like Carlton, etc, as previously mentioned, or perhaps reamp'g like EVH did. bottom line: the best (most dynamic and responsive) tone is guitar > cable > amp (even IF Jimi didn't do it this way).
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Post by adam on Apr 16, 2022 8:21:19 GMT -7
... the best (most dynamic and responsive) tone is guitar > cable > amp (even IF Jimi didn't do it this way). My guess is that a lot of Jimi's studio stuff was straight into an amp. It just sounds that way to me.
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