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Post by nicholas on Oct 15, 2021 3:44:21 GMT -7
I have a few 412 cabs. Each has 4 of the same speakers, but all the cabs are different. I have a Heritage Greenback cab, a V30 cab, and a G12T-75 cab.
I'm going to experiment a little with the V30 cab and mix in two G12M's. Would you try an X, or upstairs - downstairs? This speaker combination seems to be what comes in most Friedman cabs and I believe they are up/down.
Anyone play around much with this?
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Post by adam on Oct 15, 2021 5:08:14 GMT -7
Played around with this a ton, not those speakers though.I would say if this speakers are pretty dissimilar, like what you are doing, put the louder speaker on the bottom as you said. If they are similar, try x pattern. You aren't really going to know until you try both ways though. If you really want to mess around with it, try removing either the bottom 2 or one side of the v30 cab and see what that sounds like first. I know it sounds stupid, but there really is something to it. Might be your favorite. Currently, I really like my straight GB/CB in x pattern. I thought I hated x pattern based on my previous 2 combinations there (H30/GB and GB/old 70 watt celestions), but this combo works for me in that cab.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 15, 2021 8:54:19 GMT -7
^ I was going to say what Adam said. That being, similarly-constructed (magnet weight) or similar output speakers, put them in the X pattern. But if mixing bigger-magnet (usually more bass-heavy) with smaller-magnet speakers, I'd put the bigger ones on the bottom or towards the floor.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Oct 15, 2021 8:54:59 GMT -7
Currently, I really like my straight GB/CB in x pattern. Is your “CB” a reference to the G12m-65 Creamback? Or something else?
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Post by adam on Oct 15, 2021 18:51:34 GMT -7
Is your “CB” a reference to the G12m-65 Creamback? Or something else? Yes, that one.
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Post by nicholas on Oct 16, 2021 3:38:23 GMT -7
Thanks for the info. I think I'll try the greenbacks on top first. I suppose I could turn the cab on it's side to have a L/R arrangement. Should give me an idea if I'd like the X with those speakers.
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Post by zpilot on Oct 16, 2021 4:53:15 GMT -7
I've always prefered a top/bottom arrangement. With an X pattern the balance changes depending on where you are standing, side to side on the stage.
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Post by John on Oct 16, 2021 5:49:40 GMT -7
All I know is that I'm not helping you move those!! ha ha
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Post by steiner on Oct 16, 2021 6:21:42 GMT -7
^^^Agreed if it's a bottom cab - straight front. IF, on the other hand you have top cabs, I'd try the X pattern.
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Post by GT Roger on Oct 26, 2021 14:00:22 GMT -7
Hmmm......I'm running a 4x12 cab with V-30's and G12H-30's in an X Patern. I'll have to try the upstairs / down stairs thing.
I always assumed everyone did an X pattern. Good post!
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Post by adam on Oct 26, 2021 15:03:23 GMT -7
I have a few 412 cabs. Each has 4 of the same speakers, but all the cabs are different. I have a Heritage Greenback cab, a V30 cab, and a G12T-75 cab. I'm going to experiment a little with the V30 cab and mix in two G12M's. Would you try an X, or upstairs - downstairs? This speaker combination seems to be what comes in most Friedman cabs and I believe they are up/down. Anyone play around much with this? Did you try this yet, or was the battery dead in the screw gun?
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Post by nicholas on Oct 27, 2021 15:27:25 GMT -7
^ lol. I tried it. I put the greenbacks on top with the V30's on the bottom. I really like it. I can see why this seems to be a popular combination. The speakers seem to melt together and I can't hear one over the other, or notice much of a difference moving closer or further away. It seems to really work well.
Just for the heck of it I turned the cab on its side. I figured this would approximate the X config, sort of. This didn't work as well. I seemed to be always aware which speaker I was hearing and I seemed to have to stand in the perfect spot between them or it sounded weird. Even if I moved just a little. Not scientific, but I think I'll leave them top / bottom and let it be.
It's a real nice balanced tone and I think I like it better than a full greenback cab, and I definitely like it better than a full V30 cab.
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Post by adam on Oct 27, 2021 15:59:32 GMT -7
^ lol. I tried it. I put the greenbacks on top with the V30's on the bottom. I really like it. I can see why this seems to be a popular combination. The speakers seem to melt together and I can't hear one over the other, or notice much of a difference moving closer or further away. It seems to really work well. Just for the heck of it I turned the cab on its side. I figured this would approximate the X config, sort of. This didn't work as well. I seemed to be always aware which speaker I was hearing and I seemed to have to stand in the perfect spot between them or it sounded weird. Even if I moved just a little. Not scientific, but I think I'll leave them top / bottom and let it be. It's a real nice balanced tone and I think I like it better than a full greenback cab, and I definitely like it better than a full V30 cab. Thanks, and that makes all the sense in the world to me based my own observations. I swear I thought the x pattern thing was just stupid because it never sounded good to me. Like the treble that might be annoying you from one speaker and you just kind of can't dial that out on the amp. Not until I matched the GB and CB and it worked, but I think it's because they are sort of similar. Other pairings in a 2x12 have really been hit or miss too, and sometimes it's just related to what the amp wants to do. My v30 paired with an alnico cream and the CAZ just sounds fantastic, but not really so with other amps I try with that cab. That cab (not the speakers) just has some weird low hump that's really prominent and for whatever reason, it just ticks the boxes when used with the CAZ to my ears. Thanks for sharing your endeavor. Good and useful info.
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Post by nicholas on Oct 28, 2021 3:04:28 GMT -7
adam have you ever tried Redbacks? From listening to your demos I think they might be right up your ally. I really like them. Actually have 2 new ones coming to make a full quad that I'm going to set up in a different cab.
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Post by adam on Oct 28, 2021 4:14:11 GMT -7
No, haven't tried them. Thanks.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 25, 2022 6:28:58 GMT -7
The speaker mixing continues... I've really been having a good time with this. I'm one of the oddballs that actually really likes the G12T-75's that most people seem to despise. They are mid scooped comparatively to most Celestions but if you have an amp that has a bunch of mids it can really work.
So I started mixing some speakers in with them just to see. What's interesting is the midrange notch in the G12T-75'S gets totally filled in by a speaker that is more predominant in the mids. It's an interesting concoction. I have two cabs set up with the G12T-75'S on the bottom, one cab has V30's on top, the other G12M's. I'm really liking the G12M mix.
You get the mids of the G12M filled out with the lows and upper presence slice of the 75's. Not being able to leave well enough alone I've been looking into the G12-65. That's a speaker I've never tried in person. So I think it's time to give it a go. I ordered two. Think I'll try them on top.
Anyone have any thoughts on the G12-65?
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Post by nicholas on Feb 25, 2022 6:29:53 GMT -7
Hmmm......I'm running a 4x12 cab with V-30's and G12H-30's in an X Patern. I'll have to try the upstairs / down stairs thing. I always assumed everyone did an X pattern. Good post! Hey Rodger, did you try it yet?
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Post by adam on Feb 25, 2022 12:04:07 GMT -7
I'm one of the oddballs that actually really likes the G12T-75's that most people seem to despise. have two cabs set up with the G12T-75'S on the bottom, one cab has V30's on top, the other G12M's. I'm really liking the G12M mix. Anyone have any thoughts on the G12-65? Ditto on the 75's. I stole a Marshall branded v30 from my 1960av cab and put the lowly 75 in the bottom as a replacement. Using that cab set to stereo (1 side v30+75) and the other side just v30's, then messing with the Ghia plugged into either side, the side with the 75 sounds way better to me. I like the idea of 75+gb too, but haven't tried that. Anyway, it kind of makes me want to put another 75 on the other side at the bottom too. I feel like the 75 is sort of muddy in general, but in combo with something else, I was surprised. The 65 - never tried that one.
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Post by GT Roger on Mar 1, 2022 7:35:41 GMT -7
Hmmm......I'm running a 4x12 cab with V-30's and G12H-30's in an X Patern. I'll have to try the upstairs / down stairs thing. I always assumed everyone did an X pattern. Good post! Hey Rodger, did you try it yet? Not yet. Too many projects right now.
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Post by adam on Mar 1, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -7
I tried the H30 on the bottom with V30 on top. Works well.
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