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Post by Russell B on Feb 15, 2021 13:47:09 GMT -7
I bought a beautiful Gibson Les Paul in 2017. Within a year, the inlay at two frets stated coming up. It was still under warranty, so I sent it to Gibson and they fixed it.
I’ve been playing that guitar a good bit of late. Last night I got it out and found another inlay coming up while I was playing.
My Heritages don’t do that!
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Post by steiner on Feb 15, 2021 15:10:57 GMT -7
Your Heritages use Mother of Pearl inlays. The Gibson uses Mother of Toilet seat inlays... In all the years i've followed Heritage, I've never heard of this problem.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 15, 2021 15:27:21 GMT -7
As of late, my 2013 Les Paul Traditional Pro II became unplayable due to horrible tuning stability--and this is after regularly using nut lube, proper/recommended stringing techniques, stretching the new strings (the same 0.010 gauge that it shipped new with), always tuning up to pitch, etc. Granted, this is not some mega-expensive "Custom Shop/R9" whatever monstrously-expensive guitar; however, it was a legitimately expensive Les Paul Standard equivalent-grade guitar in its own right. And I'm sorry, but for $2000+ and only 7 years of light/moderate use, a guitar should not be rendered useless due to tuning instability.
No way am I alone in having this problem, though, as one of the highest-regarded techs in my metro area was like, "Oh, yeah, that's a common problem..." So he replaced my stock Corian nut with a Tusq one [such a nice job, BTW, that if I didn't inspect it I'd swear there is no difference] and now the thing works great! Imagine that--my Gibson (finally) holds tune as well as my PRS's do! 100% of this credit, though--for the tuning stability and for practically saving the guitar from the trash heap--goes to my local tech.
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Post by helmi on Feb 15, 2021 16:31:53 GMT -7
I bought a beautiful Gibson Les Paul in 2017. Within a year, the inlay at two frets stated coming up. It was still under warranty, so I sent it to Gibson and they fixed it. I’ve been playing that guitar a good bit of late. Last night I got it out and found another inlay coming up while I Russel, you NEED to try a core PRS.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 15, 2021 16:34:37 GMT -7
I've got a 2003 Premium Plus Les Paul Std, a 2018 Custom Shop Les Paul 1968 RI, a 2017 Explorer, a 2017 Firebird, and a 2011 LP Tribute Gold Top The Tribute had a horrible fret job but I got it second hand cheap, and filed them all down myself. Except for that, so far so good...I've been lucky I guess.
It sucks that we pay top dollar for what was once "The Best" and then have to put up with quality issues.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 15, 2021 16:37:21 GMT -7
I bought a beautiful Gibson Les Paul in 2017. Within a year, the inlay at two frets stated coming up. It was still under warranty, so I sent it to Gibson and they fixed it. I’ve been playing that guitar a good bit of late. Last night I got it out and found another inlay coming up while I Russel, you NEED to try a core PRS. Maybe so. I have an older McCarty (20 years old), but have look at some of the new ones. I want vintage styled pickups and and PRS pickups are hotter, aren’t they?
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Post by Russell B on Feb 15, 2021 16:39:13 GMT -7
I've got a 2003 Premium Plus Les Paul Std, a 2018 Custom Shop Les Paul 1968 RI, a 2017 Explorer, a 2017 Firebird, and a 2011 LP Tribute Gold Top The Tribute had a horrible fret job but I got it second hand cheap, and filed them all down myself. Except for that, so far so good...I've been lucky I guess. It sucks that we pay top dollar for what was once "The Best" and then have to put up with quality issues. Right! How hard can it be to make sure that the inlays are glued properly?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 15, 2021 17:31:03 GMT -7
Russel, you NEED to try a core PRS. I can't agree with this any more strongly, without coming across as a total "fanboy"... and in the wrong forum, no less! (This forum is about Doc's amps! PRS has its own forum, which is pretty good.) Maybe so. I have an older McCarty (20 years old), but have look at some of the new ones. I want vintage styled pickups and and PRS pickups are hotter, aren’t they? I would give them another look--most of what PRS put out in the late 2000's are top-notch pickups and do not deserve that typical label of, "Well, I like the guitars, but the stock pickups are kind of boring." The following pickups--RP, 57/08, 59/09, 53/10, and Modern Eagle V--were all produced between '07-'11 and they are stellar; I wouldn't pull them out of the guitars for anything. (There is one slightly more "modern" set, the 85/15 [and also the 58/15, not the ones with an "LT" in their name] that I did not prefer; they're actually quite good at what they do, but they just aren't what I was looking for in my playing style.)
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Post by Seńor Verde on Feb 15, 2021 18:35:32 GMT -7
I actually gave up on Gibsons for several years. I had a couple with necks that twisted, Les Pauls and others were heavy etc. Well now I have 2 RI Les Pauls and 2 '17 ES-335 and they are all great. Lately though, I'm digging (again) the '07 McCarty I've had since 2005. The McCarty doesn't sound like any Gibson, but they feel and play perfect to me and sound more in tune up and down the neck. I'd like to get a new McCarty with the traditional style tuners and 85/15 tuners.
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Feb 15, 2021 18:38:05 GMT -7
I'm thinking about trying out Eastman sometime soon. I love the demos I have seen. They sound like they are much better quality than Gibson Custom shop at lower than standard Gibson prices.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 15, 2021 20:02:20 GMT -7
I've got a 2015 SG and a 2020 LP Standard. No problems. I have not experienced any problems with Corian nuts as long as they are WELL LUBRICATED. They need to be cut perfectly and also burnished, which is something few luthiers bother to do and, as far as I know, NO major manufacturer does. It helps if the slots in the bridge saddles are cut properly too and that the tailpiece is not cranked all the way down to the body.
When I was the tech for Private Reserve Guitars I did this to ALL of the high end guitars we sold. The 2 Gibsons I have now I purchased from Sweetwater. They have a crew that inspects and tweaks their guitars and I suspect they are doing this. Or maybe I'm just lucky. Yeah, I agree Gibson's nuts should be perfect at their price point. I'm just not willing to swear off the brand yet.
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Post by Patrick B on Feb 15, 2021 20:47:01 GMT -7
Usually with my luck I fall in love with the most expensive stuff around. But with guitars I'm lucky I like Strats and can bolt together something I really love for not so much money. I know that doesn't help the Les Paul tuning problem. I would expect even a $2,000 new Gibson to need a nut setup done by somebody that really knows what they are doing. I can't imagine Gibson has people with the time or knowledge to do it right. Even with my Strats I now play LSR roller nuts exclusively and couldn't be happier. If I had a Les Paul and they made a roller nut to fit that's what I'd have on it. Good enough for Jeff Beck, good enough for me.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 16, 2021 5:40:59 GMT -7
I've got a 2015 SG and a 2020 LP Standard. No problems. I have not experienced any problems with Corian nuts as long as they are WELL LUBRICATED. They need to be cut perfectly and also burnished, which is something few luthiers bother to do and, as far as I know, NO major manufacturer does. It helps if the slots in the bridge saddles are cut properly too and that the tailpiece is not cranked all the way down to the body. When I was the tech for Private Reserve Guitars I did this to ALL of the high end guitars we sold. The 2 Gibsons I have now I purchased from Sweetwater. They have a crew that inspects and tweaks their guitars and I suspect they are doing this. Or maybe I'm just lucky. Yeah, I agree Gibson's nuts should be perfect at their price point. I'm just not willing to swear off the brand yet. I bought this guitar from Sweetwater too, but they would not have been able to foresee the inlays coming up.
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Feb 16, 2021 9:05:55 GMT -7
I've got a 2015 SG and a 2020 LP Standard. No problems. I have not experienced any problems with Corian nuts as long as they are WELL LUBRICATED. They need to be cut perfectly and also burnished, which is something few luthiers bother to do and, as far as I know, NO major manufacturer does. It helps if the slots in the bridge saddles are cut properly too and that the tailpiece is not cranked all the way down to the body. When I was the tech for Private Reserve Guitars I did this to ALL of the high end guitars we sold. The 2 Gibsons I have now I purchased from Sweetwater. They have a crew that inspects and tweaks their guitars and I suspect they are doing this. Or maybe I'm just lucky. Yeah, I agree Gibson's nuts should be perfect at their price point. I'm just not willing to swear off the brand yet. I bought this guitar from Sweetwater too, but they would not have been able to foresee the inlays coming up. I got my Epiphone Les Paul from Sweetwater and it ended up having 13 high frets on it. So I assume their 55 point inspection doesn't take into account checking for high frets... Will definitely negotiate in a full set up if I buy another guitar from them in the future.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 16, 2021 9:46:53 GMT -7
I'm digging (again) the '07 McCarty I've had since 2005. ??? 🤨 🤔 ???
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 16, 2021 9:50:58 GMT -7
I'm digging (again) the '07 McCarty I've had since 2005. 🤨 🤔 Time travel. Edited to add: I forgot Marty McFly pulled this off too - playing a 1958 ES-345 in 1955 😁
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Post by nicholas on Feb 16, 2021 10:15:08 GMT -7
I bought a beautiful Gibson Les Paul in 2017. Within a year, the inlay at two frets stated coming up. It was still under warranty, so I sent it to Gibson and they fixed it. I’ve been playing that guitar a good bit of late. Last night I got it out and found another inlay coming up That sucks. I've had that happen on a used guitar once. The previous owner "over cared" for it and oiled up the finger board way too much. Which is what I believe caused it in my case. So far so good for me. I like Gibsons. I've had many over the years and no issues that I can think of. Currently I have three Gibsons. 2016 Les Paul Custom 57 true historic reissue, a 2017 ES339, and a 2020 Les Paul Junior p90's. I'm super happy with all of them. The new junior is really well put together I think. Especially for the price. I had a few Heritage guitars over the years. They are nice too.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 16, 2021 11:05:18 GMT -7
I bought a beautiful Gibson Les Paul in 2017. Within a year, the inlay at two frets stated coming up. It was still under warranty, so I sent it to Gibson and they fixed it. I’ve been playing that guitar a good bit of late. Last night I got it out and found another inlay coming up That sucks. I've had that happen on a used guitar once. The previous owner "over cared" for it and oiled up the finger board way too much. Which is what I believe caused it in my case. So far so good for me. I like Gibsons. I've had many over the years and no issues that I can think of. Currently I have three Gibsons. 2016 Les Paul Custom 57 true historic reissue, a 2017 ES339, and a 2020 Les Paul Junior p90's. I'm super happy with all of them. The new junior is really well put together I think. Especially for the price. I had a few Heritage guitars over the years. They are nice too. I'm going to stick with Heritage and look at some PRS's. Perhaps I'll cool down and look at Gibson again in the future, but right now, I'm thinking about getting rid of all of them.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Feb 16, 2021 12:19:28 GMT -7
Getting rid of ones you already own, doesn't hurt Gibson at all. Not buying more does. If you've got some good ones, hang onto them if you like them. It's the old cutting off your nose to spite your face thing. You're going to lose money and get rid of guitars you have liked and they feel nothing. Always good to step back when we are angry before we act. My two cents. Learned from not following my own two cent advice in the past.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 16, 2021 12:29:31 GMT -7
Getting rid of ones you already own, doesn't hurt Gibson at all. Not buying more does. If you've got some good ones, hang onto them if you like them. It's the old cutting off your nose to spite your face thing. You're going to lose money and get rid of guitars you have liked and they feel nothing. Always good to step back when we are angry before we act. My two cents. Learned from not following my own two cent advice in the past. Thanks Marc. That's good advice. I probably wasn't going to get rid of them, but I'm definitely not buying any more of them.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Feb 16, 2021 19:40:22 GMT -7
🤨 🤔 Time travel. Edited to add: I forgot Marty McFly pulled this off too - playing a 1958 ES-345 in 1955 😁 Oops. It's a '97 that I got in 2005.
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Post by detuned on Feb 17, 2021 7:27:49 GMT -7
Back in high school my parents bought me a brandy-new '80 Gibson LP Custom which I eventually came to realize was pretty much a boat anchor. That heavy, and as useful for making music. I thought it was me (and to be fair, in high school, it *was* partially me), but eventually I traded it off for... something. Too many guitars.
Fast forward to recently when I decided I HAD to have a 335-style. I settled on a Collings I-35, which I thought as expensive until I looked at what Gibson is charging for new 335s. No regrets at all. I hear those Heritages are pretty nice, too.
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