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Post by Grotto on Jan 29, 2020 7:27:03 GMT -7
Hello,
I’m a newby and huge fan of the Z Wreck. I recently sold my silver set to either purchase a wreck combo with half power or possibly the new wreck Jr amp.
I read that the Z Wreck Jr. has the greenback speaker. I apologize if this is a silly question but what speaker is recommended to be in a Dr. Z convertible cab to pair with the Z Wreck jr. head? Is the greenback still the speaker to go with in this case? I wasn’t sure if the 1X12 cab Vs. the all in one combo would pose a different sound or not. Thanks for your help
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Post by KeithA on Jan 29, 2020 7:46:56 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum.
I suspect it depends on what you want in the end. I'm sure a Celestion Gold in the 112 will make Jr sound pretty close to a blend of the Silver Set & combo.
The Greenback will give the cleans a little more of a 'reedy' character but I suspect, like the quick clips I've seen so far, will be more 'rock and roll' once the amp starts to overdrive.
So, if you want something very similar to your silver set with a great MV, I'd go with a gold. If you want something somewhat similar to the silver set but with some r&R attitude...get the Greenback.
Another think to think about when deciding bewteen the two speakers is that if you have another amp, or plan on getting another amp, what speaker would you like with that one too.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jan 29, 2020 8:22:23 GMT -7
Great advice from Keith. Greenback if you plan to live with the gain higher and go for more blues/rock vibes. Or an alnico if you want to get closer to the Vox/Paisley thing. I would probably lean more toward the Blue than the Gold, but that’s personal preference. The Jr may not push the Gold hard enough to bring out the best in the Gold. The gold is more versatile though if you want to use the speaker with other amps. Will be slightly warmer, better bass. Less mojo though.
I’d go Blue if it were me.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 29, 2020 9:26:12 GMT -7
I've wondered the same thing, as I ponder a possible Wreck Jr head for my collection. Keith & Jordan's responses above would both seem to be accurate... but, of course I haven't played a Wreck Jr yet, so I'm just educated-guessing at this point.
Interesting that Doc chose the Greenback as the stock speaker in the combo, although I suspect cost to have been a factor in that, too. Rarely, if ever, have we heard anybody say that--money no object--a Blue wasn't the best choice for any particular low-watt EL84 amp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 10:17:34 GMT -7
I've wondered the same thing, as I ponder a possible Wreck Jr head for my collection. Keith & Jordan's responses above would both seem to be accurate... but, of course I haven't played a Wreck Jr yet, so I'm just educated-guessing at this point. Interesting that Doc chose the Greenback as the stock speaker in the combo, although I suspect cost to have been a factor in that, too. Rarely, if ever, have we heard anybody say that--money no object--a Blue wasn't the best choice for any particular low-watt EL84 amp. Depends whether you're going for spanky semi-cleans or low-wattage power-tube distortion, maybe. If the former, a Blue would make perfect sense. If the latter, the Greenback might be smoother and warmer.
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Post by rbk84 on Jan 29, 2020 13:27:34 GMT -7
I’m a strict blue/gold user for el84 amps.
I spent some time with the Zwreck jr. last week and the Greenback is absolutely the right choice for what that amp is built to do. I also don’t think it has anything to do with cost.
That’s the beauty of buying heads though, you can experiment with what works for your situation/volume level.
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Post by frankie on Jan 29, 2020 13:55:22 GMT -7
I've wondered the same thing, as I ponder a possible Wreck Jr head for my collection. Keith & Jordan's responses above would both seem to be accurate... but, of course I haven't played a Wreck Jr yet, so I'm just educated-guessing at this point. Interesting that Doc chose the Greenback as the stock speaker in the combo, although I suspect cost to have been a factor in that, too. Rarely, if ever, have we heard anybody say that--money no object--a Blue wasn't the best choice for any particular low-watt EL84 amp. Cost, volume (lower sensitivity), and tone were the factors. Greenback was chosen because it had the chime of the blue alnico, and filled out the bottom better than going into an alnico gold. It's lower sensitivity also allowed it to be reasonably loud without being overly loud, if you wanted to open the master all the way up (as if there was no master, a'la the original Z Wreck). I've found the ZW Jr. also sounds good through a V30, believe it or not.
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Post by Grotto on Jan 29, 2020 16:05:06 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for the help
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Post by Grotto on Jan 29, 2020 16:09:32 GMT -7
I’m a strict blue/gold user for el84 amps. I spent some time with the Zwreck jr. last week and the Greenback is absolutely the right choice for what that amp is built to do. I also don’t think it has anything to do with cost. That’s the beauty of buying heads though, you can experiment with what works for your situation/volume level. That’s awesome! I live several hours away from a Z dealer. Makes it difficult to try out different amps. How did the Wreck Jr. sound when you played it? Was it similar to the z wreck combo 30 watt with the half power mod?
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Post by bryan0418 on Jan 29, 2020 18:36:45 GMT -7
I wonder if the Celestion alnico Ruby (35 watts) would work well with the Wreck Jr. Anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 20:09:35 GMT -7
I wonder if the Celestion alnico Ruby (35 watts) would work well with the Wreck Jr. Anyone know? There are some clips on Youtube of a Z Wreck and Ruby pairing and to me it sounds really good. I still have the Gold in mine but I've been dying to try one.
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Post by Russell B on Jan 29, 2020 20:50:23 GMT -7
I have a Gold sitting in my Cure right now. I’m sure the Wreck Jr will get some time with it so I can compare both speakers.
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Post by rbk84 on Jan 29, 2020 22:47:28 GMT -7
The Zwreck 1x12 definitely feels more like a combo version of its bigger brother.
However to me the Jr. felt more like a Ghia, but with wider tone controls and a lot more “grease”. Also considering the wattage It really has it’s own thing going on and it’s quite magical.
Frankie nailed it with the gold, the first thing I said to Z was a gold might not fill out the lows as well as the greenback seemed to.
I’d be curious to hear what everyone thinks after some experimenting though.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Jan 30, 2020 5:35:07 GMT -7
I’m a strict blue/gold user for el84 amps. I spent some time with the Zwreck jr. last week and the Greenback is absolutely the right choice for what that amp is built to do. I also don’t think it has anything to do with cost. . I believe Doc mentioned in a video that the greenback was chosen to help keep the price point lower.
Awhile ago I A/B my Wreck with a Gold and a Creamback. The verdict was that the tone differences were noticeable, but not by much. I was looking for a quieter speaker to tame the Wreck for smaller venues and the Creamback got the job done.
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Post by aaronblues on Jan 30, 2020 16:27:56 GMT -7
Any chance there was a Green vs. Creamback comparison?
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Post by helmi on Jan 30, 2020 17:19:47 GMT -7
I'm sure cost is ALWAYS a consideration in anything, but I cant see Doc (or any other amp builder for that matter) sacrificing the sound of an amp and it's capabilities just to save a few bucks. to me, that's sort of defeating the purpose! BTW- welcome to the forum.
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Post by DRZ on Jan 30, 2020 18:02:59 GMT -7
I'm sure cost is ALWAYS a consideration in anything, but I cant see Doc (or any other amp builder for that matter) sacrificing the sound of an amp and it's capabilities just to save a few bucks. to me, that's sort of defeating the purpose! BTW- welcome to the forum. There is no sacrifice in sound with the Greenback. Why can't you hold your opinion till you play the Z Wreck Jr. and form an accurate one. Nah that wouldn't be any fun. Z
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Post by helmi on Jan 31, 2020 3:02:45 GMT -7
I'm sure cost is ALWAYS a consideration in anything, but I cant see Doc (or any other amp builder for that matter) sacrificing the sound of an amp and it's capabilities just to save a few bucks. to me, that's sort of defeating the purpose! BTW- welcome to the forum. There is no sacrifice in sound with the Greenback. Why can't you hold your opinion till you play the Z Wreck Jr. and form an accurate one. Nah that wouldn't be any fun. Z sorry Doc, but I believe you read (took) my statement the wrong way. I was defending your choice of speaker on the amp, surely NOT criticizing it, or you.
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Post by DRZ on Jan 31, 2020 9:07:37 GMT -7
There is no sacrifice in sound with the Greenback. Why can't you hold your opinion till you play the Z Wreck Jr. and form an accurate one. Nah that wouldn't be any fun. Z sorry Doc, but I believe you read (took) my statement the wrong way. I was defending your choice of speaker on the amp, surely NOT criticizing it, or you. UPPS, sorry I read that wrong. Late night posting after a couple adult beverages. Z
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