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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Sept 24, 2019 19:22:10 GMT -7
I’ve been overdriving my amps lately (Wreck, Z28, Therapy, and Mazerati GT). Ever since I’ve been playing this way and using the volume knobs on my guitars, I have not been liking my pedals overdrive pedals (fuzz pedals have been even better though). My pedals aren’t cheap either: Analogman KOT and RYRA The Klone. Has anyone else had this issue?
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Sept 24, 2019 19:56:06 GMT -7
To me it's just different flavors. I tend to prefer amp distortion when I can play loud, and pedals more when I have to keep the volume reigned in to sane levels. I've gotten to where I can get great OD tone from pedals and MV amps out of sheer necessity.
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Post by Russell B on Sept 25, 2019 4:04:34 GMT -7
I think it's hard for pedals to emulate tube amps. To me, amp drive will alway beat pedals. With that said, in some settings, pedals may be preferred.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Sept 25, 2019 5:05:29 GMT -7
IMHO you can't beat amp and speaker break up. The pedals that try best to emulate that are my preference. I don't do well with fuzz pedals and heavy distortion. It's just not my cup of tea. Maybe if I gave them more time.
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Post by doctorice on Sept 25, 2019 5:39:47 GMT -7
Just to be sure I understand, you're not happy with the sound after tweaking the pedal knobs to compensate for the altered amp settings. Is that right?
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Sept 25, 2019 5:41:45 GMT -7
IMHO you can't beat amp and speaker break up. The pedals that try best to emulate that are my preference. I don't do well with fuzz pedals and heavy distortion. It's just not my cup of tea. Maybe if I gave them more time. I have been falling out of love with my drive pedals ever since getting my z28 back. It might well be that I just don’t like them with that amp specifically. I’ll also note, that one of my two fuzz pedals is the Analogman Sunface which is a very smooth fuzz that resembles overdrive in a lot of ways when you roll off your guitar’s volume. I’ve also got a couple of boosts which probably don’t help me to appreciate my drives since they push the amp into overdrive rather than just creating their own. I just got a Peppermint fuzz from Analogman as well which I believe is going to be primarily used for leads. I’m an Analogman fan if you couldn’t tell already.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Sept 25, 2019 5:53:53 GMT -7
I'm becoming more of a guitar-cord-amp type player. Time based/modulation effects are ok with an occasional wah, but even those I'm being very discerning with at this time. Probably just a phase or merely getting acquainted with the new to me Therapy.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Sept 25, 2019 7:51:07 GMT -7
I'm becoming more of a guitar-cord-amp type player. Time based/modulation effects are ok with an occasional wah, but even those I'm being very discerning with at this time. Probably just a phase or merely getting acquainted with the new to me Therapy. I have to be able to be flexible when it comes to my playing due to playing in two different contexts: church and a rock n roll band. The former requires a lot more dependency on pedals. The latter basically asks for drive and verb, sometimes a little delay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 9:00:21 GMT -7
It's an interesting question, and for me it varies from one amp to the next. I love the natural tube distortion I get from my EL84-based Friedman, even though at low volume it's all preamp, pretty much (it's glorious cranked--holy moly!). With bigger bottles, like the 6V6s in my Lux, I get most of my dirt from pedals--which is also pretty great. I think the trick with pedals is to find the right dirt pedal(s) for your guitar and amp, with the understanding that changing any part of that trinity can produce pretty wildly different results. I went through a LOT of dirt pedals before I settled on my current favorite (the truly excellent, soft-clipping Jetter GS-124, or its big brother, the Jetter Monster); you name one, I've probably owned and sold it at least twice. The 124 interacts beautifully with my Lux, and just about any other amp, for that matter (yes, even the Tonemaster), and at this point it's an integral part of my gigging tone. It took a lot of experimentation to get there though--but hey, the journey's all part of the fun, right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 9:01:25 GMT -7
That said, I think I've owned four KoTs at this point, and they continue not to impress me much.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Sept 25, 2019 12:34:02 GMT -7
I plugged in this morning with my Therapy and the pedals sound like I feel they should through it. Maybe I just don’t like overdrive pedals with the Z28 and will just have to rely on the rest of my board when using it. Amazing, sparkly cleans with the z28. I know a lot of people claim that amp is too dark, but I love bright amps and I have no issue with the z28 being dark.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Sept 25, 2019 18:13:49 GMT -7
I've come to not use pedals in church or in the rock/party band. I guess It's just kind of becoming my way of doing things. But then too it's the kind of music we are playing on stage. Now that I'm using the Therapy I've been using its natural breakup. It has started to move me away from the OD pedals even more. So interesting how many different ways and means to each achieve "our sound."
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Sept 26, 2019 10:28:23 GMT -7
I did some further testing and it I didn’t maintain an important constant. Turns out it’s not the amps, but the guitar. I was using my 72 Les Paul into the Z28, but a Tele into the Therapy. I used the LP into the Therapy and it was similar to what I heard in the z28. I love the guitar, I’ll just now know how it interacts with things.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Sept 26, 2019 10:36:02 GMT -7
Either way, I much prefer amp distortion to pedals. Pedals add overdrive, but seem to lop off more of the frequency range of the guitar. But, in a live situation where you need upper-mids to be heard, it's hard to beat a pedal vs reaching for the tone stack.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Sept 27, 2019 7:31:43 GMT -7
I did some further testing and it I didn’t maintain an important constant. Turns out it’s not the amps, but the guitar. I was using my 72 Les Paul into the Z28, but a Tele into the Therapy. I used the LP into the Therapy and it was similar to what I heard in the z28. I love the guitar, I’ll just now know how it interacts with things. So true. My Nova and my Firebird are made for each other. It's the perfect combination. Certain amps like Strats, some prefer Les Pauls. Same thing with pedals, it's all in the combination.
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Post by trojanhov on Sept 27, 2019 9:05:15 GMT -7
I just recently traded my z-28 away, but do miss its sound when pushed to its limit. That being said, even with the brakelite it was hard to get to that point at church where I mostly play live. Which is why I use drive pedals. The z lux is the perfect platform for what I do. The z-28 cleans are great, but the z lux cleans are more my jam. Having the master volume is a game changer for me. I set the z lux volume around 11-12 and adjust master according to room. The ryra pushes the amp into great light break up territory but with enough dynamics that if I pick lightly I still get some clean through. I dunno. Different ways to get the same-ish results. I have 4 diff overdrives on my board right now and will likely replace one for a modulation effect.
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Post by GT Roger on Sept 27, 2019 10:22:05 GMT -7
I prefer amp overdrive. I typically use it when recording. For playing live, I prefer pedals. I can go from a super clean sound (for funky stuff) to a super driven overdrive or fuzz sound in the same song.
After trying bunches of dirt pedals, I found that the Kinsley Harlot pedal gets me the closest to an overdriven amp. Maybe because it's got a pre-amp tube in it. It really has an amp sound, unlike any other drive pedals I've tried.
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Post by mickey on Sept 28, 2019 23:24:10 GMT -7
I've tried to prefer amp overdrive, and on occasions I do, but overall I stick to my pedals. My KOT has been used for about 10 years now, and I have a spare in case. To me it sounds pretty natural, and I can't see me changing. I would be happy just sticking to a tuner and a KOT, but I have a couple of other drive pedals on my board just to vary my tone a bit when needed.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Sept 29, 2019 11:26:55 GMT -7
I think amp overdrive generally sounds better, but using pedals and clean boosts allows better control of the volumes for each amount of drive. There are songs I want a lot of distortion on a rhythm part, but I don't want to be blaringly loud and other times I want to be loud and clean on a lead.
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