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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 19, 2008 6:50:12 GMT -7
Hi All-
I need some opinions here... My MAZ JR. is just not cutting through. I got 2 other guitar players playing a 50w Bogner and a Blues Deville... It was ok when we only had dude w/ the Fender, but now I'm getting sonically molested in our rehearsal space. I push the Maz hard w/ RC, BB, 70's fulltone to get my OD sounds and play clean for everything else... Can the Galaxie 2X10 be the solution?
For the music I play Black Crowes/Allmans/Black Sabbath and other assorted blues rock/stoner rock genres…. Do you think that amp might cover it?
Most people say get a marshall and be done w/ it, but the cleans on those things aren't for my liking. I loved the Maz..
I'm a combo amp kind of guy who loves his cleans and loves that Brit overdrive..
I'm also not a rich man that can have a 2 amp setup.
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Post by kruzty on Mar 19, 2008 7:07:54 GMT -7
My recolection of the Galaxie is that it wasn't necessarily "cutting" as compared to some of Doc's other amps. I think the amp that I have that cuts most is the Ghia - but that won't keep up with two other guitar amps.
How about a Maz Sr.? Or, just get rid of one of the other guitar players! ;D
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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 19, 2008 7:21:33 GMT -7
Yeah.. I'd rather get rid of one of the other players than getting a new amp.. trust me. !!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 19, 2008 8:05:55 GMT -7
Galaxie for 70s, blues rock or stoner rock? Yes. imho it will definitely do the job - with or without pedals. I have used my 112 Gal combo up against some of the Boogie and 'Cat line-up .... using an AC and RC Boost in front and also just simply switching between the two channels I had no complaints about the sound (even though I was playin' gee-tar) I have not yet run with 210 .... but think it'd be very cool. cheers always, eh Joel p.s. sendin' you some[glow=red,2,300] K[/glow] to help with your tone and volume quest
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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 19, 2008 8:13:55 GMT -7
Yes to all those sounds..
Just looking for that Marc Ford sounding blues rock sound and when I need to get my KYUSS fix I'm able to push it w/ those pedals...
The MAZ Jr was pretty close to IMHO "perfection" but just didn't have enough juice.. The 6v6's are whats kind of steering me towards this amp... seems like it could be brilliant if manipulated correctly.. Pushed tweed deluxe's are killer!
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Post by kidmagic on Mar 19, 2008 8:25:16 GMT -7
What about a Maz Senior (2x12)? I'm pretty suspect about a galaxie 2x10 combo keeping up with those other amps you listed. Maybe it will, or maybe you'll need get an 1x12 extension cabinet with an efficient speaker, that might be enough.
The other guitar player in my band plays a hot rod Deville - and my Galaxie struggles keep up with him through a 4x10. Those amps are fricken loud! (I'm assuming the Blues Deville has the same power section).
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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 19, 2008 8:40:16 GMT -7
REALLY!?!? Awe man that ain't good.... and you play through a 4x10?
the SR is an option as well I guess, but the extra gain I have heard from the reviews is what really is drawing me to this!
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Post by jcv on Mar 19, 2008 9:40:03 GMT -7
I love my Gal and it is loud... but it definitely doesn't cut like a Maz. My Maz Sr would cut through at ridiculously low volumes. The Gal, IMO has a less "biting" tone. I haven't played a Maz Jr but I think the Maz Sr cuts through the mix better than any amp I've heard.
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Post by blackice on Mar 19, 2008 9:46:42 GMT -7
MAZ 38 Sr NR Prescription ES Route 66 Mazerati GT One of these should do
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 19, 2008 10:00:26 GMT -7
rynolp58 If'n the Galaxie don't do it .... then hunt down a SRZ-65 or a 6545 head and either a Z-best 212 or your favorite multi-speaker cab.... and you will mos' definitely be cuttin' thru the mix Also, what kind of guitar(s) are you using ( edit: '58 LP ? ) and how do you usually run the dials on your amp(s) ? cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by dock66 on Mar 19, 2008 10:35:32 GMT -7
MAZ 38 Sr NR Prescription ES Route 66 Mazerati GT One of these should do I second that.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 19, 2008 14:21:35 GMT -7
Three guitars is two too many for me!
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 19, 2008 15:45:17 GMT -7
Bro....If a Galaxie/Zbest won't git it done, those other cats are just too damn LOUD.....
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Post by groovergeorge on Mar 19, 2008 16:27:07 GMT -7
I heard somewhere that one of the guys in the Black Crowes was using a 65/45. If you get one of those and it doesn't cut through the mix then you need to ditch your band and save your hearing. I'm seeing them on Easter Monday at the east Coast Roots and Blues festival along with John Fogerty.
Can't wait
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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 20, 2008 8:17:58 GMT -7
Sorry actually had to work for a bit yesterday! I play reissue 58lp and a merican' strat w/ vintage hot fralins... I may have to just kick dude out the band at this point cause the Maz is a SICK amp that I really never had an issue w/ until now. Hell, you can't go wrong w/ any of Z amp in my eyes. Thanks for the opinions!!! But I got one of Steve's 'dragon boost on the way just in case! ;D
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 20, 2008 8:26:11 GMT -7
Congrats on the 'Dragon. Very cool with Zs ;D
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Post by John on Mar 20, 2008 8:50:48 GMT -7
That has to be one LOUD rehearsal.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Mar 20, 2008 15:45:20 GMT -7
Well, I would not hesitate to get a Maz Sr...
If I could get ever away with cranking THAT amp up, I'd do it in a heartbeat!
Or, now that I've experienced it, you could get a Tonker to use with your Maz Jr, crank it up and probably be about as loud as the Bogner or deville... but cut through like nobody's business.
or Get a Maz SR and a Tonker... then we can ALL hear you when you guy's practice... well maybe not the guy's in Australia, But I could prolly hear ya.
;D
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Post by zimmer on Mar 22, 2008 8:48:10 GMT -7
Galaxie should do the trick. It's got the sounds you're looking for, and has some volume to it. On the other hand, there's a number of good suggestions here. It's something to say, that there are probably another 5 or 6 of the Doc's amps that might get you there.
I could see getting there with the Rte 66 and a pedal or two. But there's plenty of oomph to all of the ones listed. The feel of the 66 reminds me of the Black Crowes, although the Galaxie can do that.
Allman Brothers and Kyuss might have me looking for an SRZ or 6545, or maybe a Maz GT.
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Post by psj1026 (Pete) on Mar 23, 2008 10:07:21 GMT -7
damn I like it loud and you guys must CRANK! I play the same type of stuff. The Black Crowes (well Rich anyhow) was using Harry Joyce amps last time I saw them (local fair last year and I was about 2ft from him , awesome!) Now those are LOUD amps!
But anyways tell them to turn the f down! Believe me I am the loudest in my band. You could get another speaker that produces a louder sound. I just got the Z28 and it will do BC all day long! Better and louder than the Maz IMO. I have a few posts in a live situation with the Maz alone and the Z28 alone and one in my house of both together (that IS loud). Check em out if you like. I had a Tonemaster 100 watt amp and the Maz is PFL at 18 watts compared to that amp. You would LOVE a Z28 for that type of stuff especially with a Strat. Good luck. Turning down costs nothing and saves ears. But I'll probably never do it.
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Post by kidmagic on Mar 24, 2008 8:07:54 GMT -7
There are clearly some different opinions on volume - so let me just say this with respect to my Z amps:
Z28 1x12 with a greenback is the least loud amp I have. Galaxie head, matched with a 4x10 openback cabinet (w/eminence ramrods) is second - significant jump over the Z28 6545 - run through 4x12 closed back w/4 heritage greenbacks - significantly louder than the Galaxie.
I play in a loud rock band (with earplugs all the time) - and let me say, the only amp that keeps up and cuts is the 6545. The other guitar player uses a Fender Deville 2x12 - that amp is fricken loud - so knowing what this cat is up against, please stop telling him a 20-30 watt amp is going to keep up - it won't. Now telling the other guitar players to turn down is an option!!
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Post by rynolp58 on Mar 25, 2008 14:45:02 GMT -7
yeah its just nearly impossible to get above these guys.. Maybe I'm wrong here, but since I kind of play lead on 92% of our songs I probably should be able to get above these guys.. F it... They are gonna have to turn down. But you guys have it right.. That Fender Deville is crazy loud!
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Post by jwr on Mar 25, 2008 18:02:27 GMT -7
I own a Bogner Shiva, it's my 2nd one and a 60 watt 6L6 model. I owned the 80 watt EL-34 model before the one I currently have. I'm assuming when you say a 50 watt Bogner your referring to the 6L6 Shiva model. That's not an extremely loud amp. I think you could get the Jr. to work for you.
I'd bet you could save some $$$ by getting a more efficient speaker as Mr. Gleaton pointed out.
A Emi Tonker or Wizard will definitely bring up your volume and it's a cheap fix, less than $100. Or add a 1X12 cab and stack 'em. Getting you sound up higher will help you a lot. Both are way cheaper than getting a different amp. Besides the Maz Jr is killer, don't dump it.
Maybe having a band meeting about volume issues would help too.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 25, 2008 19:09:10 GMT -7
I own a Bogner Shiva, it's my 2nd one and a 60 watt 6L6 model. I owned the 80 watt EL-34 model before the one I currently have. I'm assuming when you say a 50 watt Bogner your referring to the 6L6 Shiva model. That's not an extremely loud amp. I think you could get the Jr. to work for you. I'd bet you could save some $$$ by getting a more efficient speaker as Mr. Gleaton pointed out. A Emi Tonker or Wizard will definitely bring up your volume and it's a cheap fix, less than $100. Or add a 1X12 cab and stack 'em. Getting you sound up higher will help you a lot. Both are way cheaper than getting a different amp. Besides the Maz Jr is killer, don't dump it. Maybe having a band meeting about volume issues would help too. +1 on some very 'sound' advice. cheers always and happy tone/sound level chasing, eh Joel
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Post by asattwanger on May 26, 2008 15:21:49 GMT -7
Yeah, no doubt. You need to have a meeting about volumes. I used to leave every practice with ringing ears. The other guitar player was always super loud with his Deville. So I handled that in three different ways. 1. was to stop playing everytime he went to solo. 2. set up my Mesa maxed out and turn down on the guitar untill his solos came up and then turned up and drowned him out on every solo he played {he was a bit pissed} 3. I brough a 12 watt amp to practice. Once he got the idea that this was the volume i was will ing to play at, which was still loud, I bought my Dr.Z Z-28 and have had no issues. But, I wouldn't buy a Z-28 if your looking for alot more volume. Unless your gonna run them together. ? DAVE
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Post by billyguitar on May 26, 2008 19:26:34 GMT -7
Protect your ears! You won't like listening to cicadas 24/7/365 like I do!
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Post by Rik on Jun 1, 2008 15:47:02 GMT -7
What speaker (s) are you using?
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Post by mahons on Jun 2, 2008 10:11:30 GMT -7
Like others have said...the cab/speaker configuration will have a hug impact. Adding an extra 1x12 could change a lot. It's not necessarily about power but volume
my $.02
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Post by tele1962 on Jul 7, 2008 10:07:08 GMT -7
Yikes! Not only are the Devilles loud, but harsh. When I brought the Z to a rehearsal some years back, the second guitar player who played a Deville immediately put it up for sale. Two things happened. Practice volumes became manageable, and tone was restored when he bought an old blackfaced Deluxe reverb. The Z educated everyone.
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Post by skydog958 on Jul 11, 2008 5:35:06 GMT -7
I still have my Hot Rod Deville 410. I concur it is quite loud. Then I got my KT-45...
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