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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 13:28:33 GMT -7
As the title says, thinking about getting a 12 string.
My local dealer actually sells Rics but never has one in stock. I think I want a Ric...just because. The dealer has a Korean Gretsch that plays fine but I've always been a 'go big or go home' guy.
I did some quick research and the 660/12 strikes me as what I'd lean towards.
Any Ric recommendations or other high-quality 12'ers that I'm missing out on?
Set me straight in the ways of twice as many strings 😎
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Post by pcns on Oct 29, 2018 13:33:38 GMT -7
. . . . .because the huge sound of the amp isn't enough for you?
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Post by John on Oct 29, 2018 13:49:12 GMT -7
Z-80 and a 12 string? Because you want to be really loud when it takes you 30 minutes to tune?
(If you didn't know, that's a joke on 12 strings...they can take forever to tune up)
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 13:53:28 GMT -7
. . . . .because the huge sound of the amp isn't enough for you? Lol...huge doesn't begin to describe it ! Truth is I was noodling around this weekend with Tom Petty tunes. Been a fan for years but never bothered to learn any tunes. Messing around this weekend made me realize I didn't have 'that sound' in any of my guitars. I think if the price points were really punitive I'd come to my senses since I'm a realist and know this guitar will be a case queen....but I do have the itch.
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 13:54:58 GMT -7
Z-80 and a 12 string? Because you want to be really loud when it takes you 30 minutes to tune? (If you didn't know, that's a joke on 12 strings...they can take forever to tune up) Lol...actually that's why I told my dealer today I'd lean more towards a 'better' quality one so that the tuning may be a little more stable. Maybe I'm kidding myself.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Oct 29, 2018 14:06:04 GMT -7
I like the 360 12 strings myself - but try one out before you buy a Rickie - awfully small frets above the 12th fret. I have a 1966 12-string 335 - frets are much larger on it.
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Post by headshrinker (Marc) on Oct 29, 2018 14:08:11 GMT -7
The reason Ric 12s sound like they do is because they are the only electric 12 that puts the lower string above the octave. With it that way you hit the low string a hair before the octave and wahlah that Ric sound. To be true to Tom Petty, you need to get a ric 620. I think Campbell uses a 360.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 14:17:49 GMT -7
I've had to use Rick 12's in a lot of professional situations. It wasn't really pleasurable for me mostly due to that nutty 4 pin adjustable bridge which seemed to move constantly.
They don't make them any more but I got a Jerry Jones 12 for the studio and played it live a whole lot. I added my favorite part of the Rickenbacker's controls to that guitar. I replaced the tone knob with a detented pan pot to dial in the exact blend of the neck and bridge pickups. That guitar really delivers.
I be the Z80 would be a tremendous 12 string amp!
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 14:41:32 GMT -7
I like the 360 12 strings myself - but try one out before you buy a Rickie - awfully small frets above the 12th fret. I have a 1966 12-string 335 - frets are much larger on it. Interesting. In the past I have played a 620 six string and I found the neck to small/narrow. The reason I noted the 660 is because it has the wider neck. The chances of trying a 660 in my neck of the woods is just about nil 😀
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 14:44:33 GMT -7
The reason Ric 12s sound like they do is because they are the only electric 12 that puts the lower string above the octave. With it that way you hit the low string a hair before the octave and wahlah that Ric sound. To be true to Tom Petty, you need to get a ric 620. I think Campbell uses a 360. The Tom Petty thing was just an example. I'm looking for a good, all-around sample. The 620 was my first thought but it has the narrow neck. The 620 does have the hotter pickups, though, which is probably what I'd lean towards. Funny, I think Tom P actually had a signature Ric at one point and it was a 660, based on what I read
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 14:46:49 GMT -7
I've had to use Rick 12's in a lot of professional situations. It wasn't really pleasurable for me mostly due to that nutty 4 pin adjustable bridge which seemed to move constantly. They don't make them any more but I got a Jerry Jones 12 for the studio and played it live a whole lot. I added my favorite part of the Rickenbacker's controls to that guitar. I replaced the tone knob with a detented pan pot to dial in the exact blend of the neck and bridge pickups. That guitar really delivers. I be the Z80 would be a tremendous 12 string amp! Good note on the adjustable bridge. Yeah, in the hands of a capable individual I'm sure the Beast was be fantastic.
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Post by John on Oct 29, 2018 14:50:10 GMT -7
that's why I told my dealer today I'd lean more towards a 'better' quality one so that the tuning may be a little more stable.
dealer.....wife!
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 14:52:43 GMT -7
that's why I told my dealer today I'd lean more towards a 'better' quality one so that the tuning may be a little more stable.
dealer.....wife!
Lol...actually it was the dealer (Long & McQuade) ! Wife doesn't know yet....I need to pick my spot there !
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Post by Maddog on Oct 29, 2018 15:06:29 GMT -7
I'm really liking this 350-12v63:
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Post by sharkboy on Oct 29, 2018 17:12:49 GMT -7
I have: 1. A 360/12 2. A 660/12 3. A 1993/12 (like a 330 with a wider fretboard and f-holes instead of cat’s eye cutouts.)
The latter two have wider spacings. I have played the first two at many gigs. They actually stay in tune surprisingly well, but the “R” tailpieces of the 360 and 1993 are quite time-consuming for replacing all the strings. As a practical matter, the 660 is easier for this. I have a slight preference for the hollow bodies and wider fretboards, so I play the 1993 most right now. There is nothing quite like a Rickenbacker 12 of any ilk.
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Post by walt on Oct 29, 2018 18:20:28 GMT -7
An alternative to Rickenbacker is the Reverend Airwave 12 string,which I own and love.I got it for 1200 new,Reverend makes a case for it(it's extra,I got a deal cause I bought something else pricey and paid cash)It has a big neck,and stays in tune great.For the record,i am not a rick hater,i have a 2010 360/6 I love,but the Reverend was too good to not get. I think ALL guitarists should own and play a 12 string,AND keep a guitar around that is always strung for Nashville tuneing.Both of those just change things when writing,and bring up new possibilities.And the next step would be buy a cheap Tele and keep it in Keef Tuning to play around with.Yes,I have done all these things
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Post by sharkboy on Oct 29, 2018 18:59:47 GMT -7
As you may be able to tell, I’m a total Rickenbacker guy. No other 12 seems to do enough of what they do. The Eastwood Surfcaster looks to capture the vibe fairly well, but I haven’t played one.
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 19:09:50 GMT -7
They all look great.
Lol...just to give a sense of what I'm talking about, here's a snippet of what the Z80 sounds like at 9:00 on the volume with 12:00 and 10:00 on treble and bass, respectively (and a little reverb & delay).
The is a 2nd position Tele Plus (like a Strat) and I'm trying to pick really softly b/c the family is asleep upstairs!
THis little snippet gives a sense of how great the cleans are on the Z-80...if nothing else.
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 19:24:16 GMT -7
I'm really liking this 350-12v63:
Looks fantastic....and discontinued What a beauty.
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Post by KeithA on Oct 29, 2018 19:25:47 GMT -7
An alternative to Rickenbacker is the Reverend Airwave 12 string,which I own and love.I got it for 1200 new,Reverend makes a case for it(it's extra,I got a deal cause I bought something else pricey and paid cash)It has a big neck,and stays in tune great.For the record,i am not a rick hater,i have a 2010 360/6 I love,but the Reverend was too good to not get. I think ALL guitarists should own and play a 12 string,AND keep a guitar around that is always strung for Nashville tuneing.Both of those just change things when writing,and bring up new possibilities.And the next step would be buy a cheap Tele and keep it in Keef Tuning to play around with.Yes,I have done all these things
Man...that sounds pretty good to me
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Post by KeithA on Oct 30, 2018 5:58:27 GMT -7
I'm going to drop by the dealer lunch time to see when they expect something in.
They don't get many and even when they order them I'm told it can take up to 6 months to get them. I think the normal model they bring in is a 360/12. I'll see what else they may have brought in over the last year or see to see what my options are for being able to try one.
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on Oct 30, 2018 9:18:45 GMT -7
save yourself the trouble of changing strings, maybe.... ??
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Post by KeithA on Oct 30, 2018 9:44:57 GMT -7
^^^^^Brilliant Poodle...brilliant
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Post by Andy 67 on Oct 30, 2018 11:20:53 GMT -7
I have a 360/12 and love it. I bought it in January for my TP tribute, and it delivers the goods great. Yes, the neck is narrow, yes, the frets are tiny after #12 (but who gets that far on a 12 string?), yes, it takes time to tune , but... it is Petty heaven. It sounds huge on my KT45, so I bet it'll be even huger on an 88. Good luck and tons of tone!!!
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Post by fastfrets (Bob) on Oct 30, 2018 21:22:46 GMT -7
Z-80 and a 12 string? Because you want to be really loud when it takes you 30 minutes to tune? (If you didn't know, that's a joke on 12 strings...they can take forever to tune up) Just use 2 Polytune tuners. Each does 6 strings simultaneously!
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Post by KeithA on Nov 1, 2018 18:55:22 GMT -7
Heard back from my dealer.... 18 month wait on a 660/12 & 12 months on all others
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Post by sharkboy on Nov 1, 2018 20:01:28 GMT -7
Some dealers order enough to carry stock. I have had very good luck with Rickenbacker quality. Every single Ric I’ve ordered online came ready to play. I’ve probably gotten close to half of mine from Wildwood Guitars in Colorado.
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