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Post by 30W Jams on Sept 3, 2017 0:11:24 GMT -7
Hello!
New here, and very sorry for the noob question that i'm sure many of you have heard more than enough times. I have to ask it though, as i have been reading conflicting information.
I plan on getting a Z as soon as i sell my Taylor 816ce (it's in excellent condition so i should get a decent penny from it). This will hopefully give me some choice in which Z Head i can get (not a combo fan).
My favorite Z is a Z Wreck (big surprise!), but not sure if my finances will allow for one though, so i'm looking at alternatives. I know nothing will replicate the ZW exactly, but that's the "type" of tone i'm striving for. Growling low to mid gain that i manipulate with my volume knob. I ride my volume at 75%, max it for a boost or lower to clean it up. I rarely use pedals, and get my sound from a carefully chosen tube amp, and voice all my gear accordingly (pickups, strings, cables and picks, to zero in on my desired sound). I play mostly classic rock, southern rock and blues.
I'm honestly not sure which Z amps sound like what, as many of the Youtube videos i have been listening to sound like they were recorded through a tin can. And on many vids, even the quality ones, they just show the amp at full gain or perfectly clean.
I heard the Maz 18nr is the versatile one of the bunch, so i have started looking here, but i am open to suggestions. I'm hoping to find an amp that will give me something close to those Paisley tones at an un-mic'd gigging volume. No one i play with seems to understand dynamics, they are all "full-tilt". Even at the smallest gigs, the other guitar player "must" have his 4x12 Marshall.
I'll be playing a Fender American Elite Telecaster, and using either a 2x12 (blue and a gold) or a 2x10 (red fangs).
Thank you in advance for any information you may be able to offer. It is very much appreciated. Don
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Post by John on Sept 3, 2017 4:18:36 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum!
The Maz Jr will be an excellent choice. However, be aware....you may want a second Z amp after playing the first one. They're like potato chips...can't have just one.
As far as the Paisley tone.....I'm sorry to tell you most of that tone comes from Brad's fingers. I've seen/heard him play through many amps...multiple Z and non-Z....and he sounds like Brad through every one of them. Many Z amps will get that tone. (especially if you have your gold/blue speaker cabinet) But still...Maz Jr? Perfect first choice.
That said, you can find a nice amp setting that allows for some gain when the guitar volume is up, and cleans when it is low. And semi flavors in between. You just have to tweak the knobs to find the setting that's best for you. (and I will add: tweak with your eyes closed. don't think you have to set it in any traditional way.) I'd set all the knobs at noon and go from there. Hint: Most people with a tele and gold/blues end up with the cut knob down around 9 o'clock. And don't be afraid to use the guitar's tone knob. For decades, I never used it (always wide open) but I found I can back it off a little for rhythm, then for leads, open the guitar tone all the way for leads that cut through.
And as far the other guitar player 'must' having his 4x12 Marshall...fine, but I'm not helping him move it. And I'll also add, if you're playing small clubs, that 4x12 is just ridiculous. If he's playing a real small stage, he's going to be right up next to it, he won't hear it because all the sound will be blasting past his knees and angles. (which causes a person to play even louder.) And I'm curious what amp he's using to push it.
It usually goes like this:
Singer or sound guy: "Hey man, you're frickin' LOUD...you gotta turn down" 4x12 guy: "But I can't hear myself, I've gotta turn up!" Singer or sound guy: Well, it's REALLY loud out front." Knowledgeable Z amp guy in audience: "Get rid of that 4x12 and get a 1x12 openback cabinet for a stage this small!...use the 4x12 for the big gigs! Or get an plexi amp shield."
I'm curious as to what amp you're playing through now?
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I just realized you said "un-micd". If that's the case, the other guy REALLY shouldn't be using a 4x12. They're VERY directional cabinets. The sound is like a beam...loud if you're in the beam, but much less if you're off to the side. It would be my opinion that if you're playing unmic'd...a person needs to use an open back cabinet. Not only does the sound come out the front, but it comes out the back, hits the wall, and gets distributed all over the room. Yes, there's still a bit of 'beam'...but nothing like a closed back cabinet.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Sept 3, 2017 5:10:09 GMT -7
Welcome to the Forum!
I am going to agree with John on the whole Paisley tone thing (and the 4x12 advice!) But I do own a Wreck and you can absolutely get Paisley tones out of it, and much more, all day long. Without pedals. The Wreck is worth every penny, and they do come up on this forum from time to time for a great used price, which is how I got mine.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 3, 2017 5:32:24 GMT -7
Welcome to the Forum - a lot of great people and information here. Below is some information that describes the various Zs I garnered from different articles and discussions with Doc. Hope it helps a little. The amps that Brad has used are Mazerati, Prescription, Stangray (some great deals out there on Stangrays), the DB4, and the Z Wreck, of course. Don't overlook the Cure just because it is a combo - very versatile amp for small bucks!
Here is something I did a couple of years ago - based on Doc's Amp Comments and awards he's received
Antidote - Marshall tones – with a vintage/modern switch that takes the amp from 1960’s JTM45 to 1970s JCMs. The Antidote also features a “Vintage/Modern” circuit which gives the user the ability to time warp the amp’s voicing from mid 60’s to early 70’s and back again with the flip of a switch (yes, we refer to the 70’s as modern). When over-driven, the Antidote is smooth as silk. Mids and top and bottom balance are strong and thick when pushed with a Humbucker. The addictive blend of bell-like high end shimmer and thick punchy lows results in a sound that is difficult to unplug from. In the good doctor’s words: “it already sounds like a record…but cranked”.
Carmen Ghia Clean notes come out with a warmth, complexity, and sustain like one has never heard from such a small amp. Every note has a hugeness to it that seems far beyond an 18 watt head. All this comes before the amp really starts to sing. As you turn the Volume clockwise, the fun factor increases. The big clean notes get even BIGGER than they were before. Sustain becomes as smooth and musical as you have ever heard it.
The Cure - The Cure proved itself an extremely versatile and great-sounding platform for whatever I had to throw at it. Just as it sits, it’s a dynamic and extremely playable little club-gig combo, with a richly textured sonic signature and a good range of punchy cleans to chewy tweed-inflected overdrive. It twangs and shimmers beautifully with the Telecaster injected, going appropriately gnarly with the amp’s Boost engaged, taking me easily from classic country to snarling garage-roots tones. Show it the Les Paul and adjust the gain stages accordingly, and it’s suddenly a surprisingly raucous blues-and classic-rock combo. The Level control works great, allowing you to dial in your degree of overdrive with the Volume and Master, and then set your desired output without radically changing the amp’s voicing or touch sensitivity—or just leave the Level full up for a surprisingly loud little belter!
Delta 88 Best full, sustaining, 3 dimensional clean tones this side of a 100 watt Plexi.
EZG 50 The EZG-50 is the blackface head that never was...ala Dr Z! It has a very definitive 6L6 clean sound. Whether you are lusting after the classic "El Mocambo" tone, looking to surf the big waves, or want twang straight out of Bakersfield. The EZG-50 will satisfy the most discriminating blackface tone seeker.
Galaxie The Galaxie is a channel switching (via footswitch) amp that combines classic Fender-style tweed clean tones and smooth modern drive sounds. The clean channel nails the sweet swirling sound of classic tweed amps that have become the foundation of electric guitar tone. The drive channel is the result of Dr Z’s 20 plus years of design experience. You’ll find it has excellent sustain and a rich open sound with plenty of gain on tap for today’s needs.
JAZ 20/40 Output tube tremolo gives you a depth not heard with pedals or opticoupler circuits. You get deep pulsating swells of tremolo from the JAZ. Whether you desire slow and mellow or faster Bo Didley sounds you can dial it in with ease via the speed and depth controls. Add in the tube driven reverb and you'll be navigating the swamps of the bayou.
KT 45 Sonically the KT-45 captures the rich tones of the WHO's "Live at Leeds" LP. It combines powerful driving distorted tones with a touch of defined articulation. VOX AC-30/4 meets HiWatt.
M12 - Think of the M12 as the perfect half powered offspring of the Z Wreck and Stang Ray. You get the clarity of the Stang Ray with the sweetness and ease of the Z Wreck. The Dr Z M12 gives you big tone and clean headroom with 12 watts of power. Designed with the pedal board player in mind, the EF86 front end will devour your pedals and make them sound like they are built into the amp.
MAZ 18 Jr. The Maz 18 has the perfect combination of front end drive and output tube distortion. It has a wonderful 3D reverb clean tone, matched with the sweetest top end response and tightest bottom end in a lower powered amp. All this has made the Maz 18 our most popular selling reverb combo to date.
The Maz 18 NR has that certain old school attitude that comes alive under your fingers. You can dial in clean chimey tones or raw vintage drive. The NR delivers rich singing tones from single coils and sweet British crunch from humbuckers.
MAZ 38 NR Originally built as a 3x10 combo at the request of Joe Walsh (the Super Z), the ever-versatile Maz 38 NR. The 38 NR will give you plenty of clean headroom and sweet driven tones for stages of all sizes.
MAZ 38 SR Whether your forte' is Blues, Country, Roots, or Rock, The MAZ 38 Senior will fit the bill.
Mazerati - A higher-powered companion to Dr. Z’s popular Carmen Ghia head, the Mazerati delivers rich, beautifully detailed tones that offer a pointed, yet musical midrange. And though the top-end blooms with a touch of AC30 chime—a detail that was best revealed with a Strat—the Mazerati’s pugnacious midrange and swift attack make it a decidedly more carnivorous animal than an AC30.
Mazerati GT Achieves that elusive “boutique” high gain tone. The GT uses the time tested output transformer designed for us by Ken Fischer. The gain comes on fast and strong allowing you to simply use the volume knob on your guitar to provide sparkling clean tones.
Mini-Z The breakup begins lightly at around 9 o'clock on the dial, and the sound gets fatter and fatter with more gain as you turn up the volume. Want a nice & crunchy rhythm tone? It's at about 10-11 o'clock. Want a nice, sustaining tone for leads? It's at high-noon. Want ZZ-top? It's at about 2-3 o'clock. Want over the top saturation? Crank it all the way up. The amp gets both louder AND more distorted as you turn it up, so it's "quite a ride." Most will find a happy setting between 12 and 2 o'clock and control the volume and tone with their guitar.
Monza The Monza is a gain and sustain monster. It excels at giving your fingers back what they put in with the feel and response of an amp 5x its power. Chords ring strong while single notes rise and bloom. It’s like harnessing the power and response of a 100 watt stack without clearing the first 20 rows. The term “Billy in a Box” has been used to describe the Monza. It’s that and so much more.
Prescription RX - The Prescription is a British-voiced amplifier with its own distinct personality. The tone of this amp screams rock and roll when cranked, but when clean, its bell-like tone and piano-like clarity on the low notes gives excellent articulation on complex chords. The Prescription is complex and rich in harmonics, and gives incredible touch sensitivity and string-to-finger feel. So whether you're looking for clean and pretty, or crunch of doom for some rippin' blues slide, the 'Script may be the amp for you.
Prescription ES A collaboration between master Tele player Brad Paisley, and Mike Zaite has given birth to the all new Prescription Extra Strength. Dr Z's old friend (and avid supporter of Z Amps since 1989) Joe Walsh demo'd the RX ES and ordered one on the spot to use on the Eagles Oct '04 tour of Japan. Look and listen to his Blonde RX ES on new Eagles' releases, and upcoming shows.
Prescription ES Junior The Prescription Junior Strength (Rx Jr.) has all the same sonic characteristics of the RX ES, but at less than half the power.
Remedy The full on assault and sweet crunch of the Plexi style circuit. Using four 6V6s and coming in at 40 watts you have all the spit and growl on hand for burning your guitar at Monterey or playing High Voltage rock and roll. The newer versions have a half-power switch (20 Watts) and and EQ bypass to make it even more versatile.
Route 66 Marshall JTM 45 style sounds This tube generates the “Milkshake Thick” tones, as heard on John Mayall’s “Bluesbreaker” album featuring Eric Clapton (the “Beano Album” as it is known to many).
SRZ 65 Gain and power combine to deliver pure crunch making this the ultimate rock amp. Simply roll the volume back on your guitar and you’ll hear the shimmering bell like cleans from the EL34s. The SRZ-65 is perfect for dialing up modern and classic rock sounds as well as old school British Steel. Think Marshall JCM 900
Stangray The Stang Ray is the result of his second collaboration with superstar country guitarist Brad Paisley. Using the classic setup of a quartet of EL84's biased close to true Class A at 30 watts, the new Stang Ray tips its hat to classic British tones (think Vox), but like all Dr.Z amps, has its own unique voice.
Surgical Steel - The perfect amp for the modern pedal steel player. The Surgical Steel incorporates Z's unique EF86 font end. This pentode tube can accept inputs of various voltages, like those from volume pedals, and reproduce them with accurate symmetry without distorting the signal disproportionately as 12AX7 input tubes do. A full balance EQ section inputs a pair of ultra-linear connected KT88 power tubes. These powerful tubes (approximately 90 watts per pair) produce a rich, warm, and thick tone which is not possible with a solid state amp.
Therapy A 6L6 based amp with the flavor of a low-power Tweed Twin – an American-type overdrive sound. Tweed-Twin clean with a modern clarity.
Z-28 Having more of an American type sound, the Z28 gives you a wide pallet to work from. You can dial in a clear, sweet clean sound as well as a biting crunch with just 3 knobs. The Z-28 falls squarely in the Fender camp. With my Tele plugged into the Z-28, I was instantly struck by the amp’s sugary-sweet treble and lilting midrange—Fender-like traits for sure, but the Z-28 sports a decidedly bolder, punchier low-end toughness, as well as a snappier response to pick attack.
Z-Lux - the underlying flavour is vintage and Fender-like, but thankfully devoid of the lifeless feel and glassy trebles that are sometimes associated with the more powerful silverface models. At full power, the Z-lux has a big three-dimensional tone that feels supple and dynamic with single coils as well as humbuckers. For clean tones, max out the master control and turn the gain up to achieve the optimum volume level. With single coils, things should stay clean so long as the gain control doesn’t pass halfway. The Z-Lux has a great tube driven tremolo and reverb to add to its versatility.
Z-Wreck - There’s plenty of Vox-y character to this amp in terms of lively top end, but the rich, full and complex mid range is really something special. Every last drop of tone is rung out of those Alnico speakers and the transient response – the clarity of the initial note attack before it blooms into natural valve compression and sustain – is simply joyous. Plugging in a Telecaster, we can see why Brad Paisley is such a fan of this amp. The bridge pickup’s brightness and twang are here, along with huge dollops of meaty mid range snarl, but the highs never become sharp or unpleasant. Perhaps more surprising is how great this amp sounds with a Les Paul – chunkier than Leslie West, but still with that astonishing bite and clarity that makes each note seem to pop and shimmer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 9:43:17 GMT -7
Un-mic'ed gigs using your volume control using a Tele Elite I'd say Carmen Ghia.
I play lots of those types of gigs and the Ghia works great for me. At most I have one sort of 'overdrive' pedal on my small board but I only use it for solos and a lot of times I don't even use it. Ghia really responds to the guitar volume (as do many of Doc's amps). It sounds good clean and if you can turn it up and work your GV it sounds even better on exactly the kind of gigs that you are talking about.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 3, 2017 10:50:29 GMT -7
Un-mic'ed gigs using your volume control using a Tele Elite I'd say Carmen Ghia. I play lots of those types of gigs and the Ghia works great for me. At most I have one sort of 'overdrive' pedal on my small board but I only use it for solos and a lot of times I don't even use it. Ghia really responds to the guitar volume (as do many of Doc's amps). It sounds good clean and if you can turn it up and work your GV it sounds even better on exactly the kind of gigs that you are talking about. Eric knows what he's talking about - Ghia would work in your situation and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to get into.
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Post by 30W Jams on Sept 3, 2017 15:28:11 GMT -7
You guys are awesome!
Thank you for the replies. That's a lot of info to digest, and i appreciate your willingness to give it. It seems i have a lot of videos to look up, and i do look forward to it.
Sorry about the Paisley reference, I know i'll never sound like him, i just use that as a guide to easier illustrate the type of sound i like most. Low to mid gain growl with enough clarity and punch to allow my tele to twang and snap. I'm a big fan of amps that are very responsive to pick attack and guitar volume changes. That's how i ended up here, because i heard that Dr. Z's were the best for that!
Yeah, that other guitar player....
Marshall DSL 100 watt with 4 GB's, closed back if i'm correct (sorry, but i hate the sound that thing makes, it is SO harsh. i prefer Silver Jubilee's or AC30's). He does set it to 50watts - i'll give him that - and his master is at ... 2? I just shake my head and tell him that i'm not sure his tubes are even on at this point. And yeah, he can never hear himself.
So thank you for all the suggestions! I can't wait to look further into all these great amps mentioned.
*** So the Carmen Ghia and the MAZ 18 WILL get over a loud drummer if i use a 2x12? Even at mid gain settings? I hope so! They sound great on the few vids i can find. I keep finding bad sounding vids, lol.
Thank you again!
Don
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 17:37:19 GMT -7
*** So the Carmen Ghia and the MAZ 18 WILL get over a loud drummer if i use a 2x12? Even at mid gain settings? I hope so! They sound great on the few vids i can find. I keep finding bad sounding vids, lol. Thank you again! Don Those are both pretty darn loud amps especially when paired with efficient speakers. I've never felt underpowered with the Ghia and the Red Fang 10" I've never felt underpowered with the Maz 18 with any speakers. Barely ever got to open up the master!
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Post by John on Sept 4, 2017 4:53:58 GMT -7
about the Paisley reference, I know i'll never sound like him, Welcome to the club! Ha ha! I've owned two Maz jrs and a Ghia. The Maz jr is a little louder than the Ghia. The Ghia is a little more Marshall-ish than the Maz. I personally bonded more with the Ghia..most likely because it IS a little more old school Marshall compared to the Maz. and as Roscoe says, rolling the guitar volume up and down for different tone and volume works. (and I'm that kind of player too....I'm big on the guitar volume for changes rather than pedals or amp channels.) I was thinking about suggesting the Ghia, but thought the Maz might be a better first introduction to Z amps...especially when your other player is using a 4x12....that might indicate you're a loud band. ...and as I said, the maz is a little louder than the Ghia. When I had my Ghia, it was a 1x10 combo with a gold, and there was only 1 gig where I felt underpowered. But it was a special set of circumstances and I was right next to the PA (BIG pa with big sub woofers so everything sort of rattled (even my brain) and drummer was pounding as loud as he could) Otherwise, the Ghia was fine. And you've got that gold/blue cabinet. Those are very loud speakers. It will be perfect for a Ghia or maz head with a tele. I've used this description for years: Ghia: 2 parts Marshall....1 part Vox Maz Jr: 2 parts Vox....1 part Marshall Either will be great. If you choose the Ghia, you WILL...as I said earlier...most likely use the guitar tone control to curb and crispy high end you may not like, as the amp doesn't have a high end cut or presence control. (It will take you 5 minutes to get used to doing this)
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Post by 30W Jams on Sept 4, 2017 18:50:40 GMT -7
Thank you again for your advice!
I've been looking at many vids this past day, and have been trying to hear all the various Dr Z. amps. A comparison between the Maz18 and the Ghia seems to be a very common topic. From the videos i have found, it appears that the Ghia is more 3d and dynamic, and the Maz18 a bit more versatile (i can't find a sound sample of the Maz18 that doesn't make it sound flat and sterile. I'm quite sure it's not, given all the love i see here for the Maz, but a good video for it still eludes me).
The Ghia does sound like a great choice, as i am not looking for versatility, but rather for an amp with a specific tone and certain characteristics. It's also good to know that i will not have any volume issues with a 2x12, as i prefer to go no larger than that in a cab size. I find amps with single channels and fewer knobs to be an asset and not a limitation.
I did have the pleasure of hearing a few great sounding vids and was instantly drawn to several amps...
Z-Wreck: My favorite. A perfect sounding amp for me and exactly what I've been looking for. But, from what many on these boards are saying, it's too loud for you to actually get that awesomeness at a useful volume. Could use an attenuator, but that would kill some of its tone. Maybe an OD pedal, but if i needed an OD pedal just to get my base sound, i could do that with any amp. I hear some of them are now coming out with a half-power switch, so it's still worth considering. It is the best sounding amp i have ever heard.
Stang Ray: Love this amp! But for me, it suffers from the same problems as the Z-wreck. It's just too loud. Haven't found a vid of it cranked to know if it even breaks up at all, or if an attenuator would even help. I could see throwing an OD pedal in front of it instead, leaving it on and rolling back my guitar volume to clean it up when needed. Even though i dislike pedals, this amp's tone could be worth breaking my silly rule.
DB4: It's a little darker and thicker than what i'd like, but it sounds fantastic! Very lively. And the 18/38 variable watts seems like a perfect way to power it. Perhaps a great grab and go amp.
Those are my favorites at the moment, and i'm hoping to find more! The smaller wattage amps seem great, but i doubt they will suit my needs as i might have to crank them wide open just to be heard. I'm not a Marshall or Fender guy, have gone through several Vox's though.
AC30's are my favorite amp, but i want something more percussive and snappy now. The AC30's are too warm and full sounding and not articulate enough for me now. I need something new, and i'm hoping to find it here.
Thanks!
Don
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Post by Rockerfeller on Sept 4, 2017 19:31:49 GMT -7
Thank you again for your advice! Z-Wreck: My favorite. A perfect sounding amp for me and exactly what I've been looking for. But, from what many on these boards are saying, it's too loud for you to actually get that awesomeness at a useful volume. Now hold on there! The Wreck with the 1x12 is not too loud if you got a guy playing a 4x12 cab in the band! I had the very same concern before I pulled the trigger. Yes it is loud, but it is totally usable in most every situation, even small rooms, if you attenuate it a little bit. My Brake lite is never higher than two clicks, and that is about a 5db cut in volume. I don't think it impacts the tone in a noticeable way to my ears when gigging. If you play in a loud rock band, and play medium size stages and rooms, it won't be too loud with a little bit of attenuation. I sometimes run my Brake lite on 0 for cleaner stuff and even then it isn't too loud too GIG, which is different that playing at home.
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Post by 30W Jams on Sept 4, 2017 20:08:32 GMT -7
Thank you! That's great to hear, as it is my favorite amp so far. And i certainly don't mind picking up a 1x12 cab with a Brake Lite if it means less to lug around! I could always throw an Alnico Blue in it, but is there an alternative to that with just a few less db?
Don
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Post by John on Sept 5, 2017 4:57:53 GMT -7
I've had two stangrays too. They are a clean amp. And loud like the Z wreck. They are also a bit of a scooped sounding amp. The firm lows and crispy highs are fantastic. It was very hard to overdrive it with my tele. It's intended to be a clean amp. I needed just a bit more overdrive than it could provide me.
I think we can end this discussion right here:
Maz SENIOR
The sleeper hit of the Z lineup of amps. It doesn't get as much love (comments) as the other amps, but it's fantastic.
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Post by limenine on Sept 5, 2017 5:00:13 GMT -7
And don't forget new 'wrecks have a half power switch (and older ones can be converted...)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 5:22:06 GMT -7
If you've never played a Dr Z amp and you are comparing "15 watts" and "18 watts" to other amps you have played you aren't getting it. They are "Z Watts"
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Post by smokeshowin1 on Sept 10, 2017 4:53:27 GMT -7
Hi Don, & welcome to the Z forum. In your amp quest, may I suggest you also playing a Therapy. Kind of tweedy, w/ an excellent master volume.
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Post by mikefleming on Sept 22, 2017 9:08:54 GMT -7
I think either Maz can get very Paisley-ish. Especially with Celestion-type speakers. Since you need headroom, I'd think 38 vs 18. I have an 18 and with a 5-piece honky-tonk band I'm often near the limit of clean headroom.
I'll also say though that I use a Brake-lite for lower volume gigs, and it is an awesome attenuator. I often go as far as 3 clicks down on gigs and it still sounds great.
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Post by Rik on Sept 27, 2017 17:42:15 GMT -7
Trust Eric, he knows what he's doing!!!!!!
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Post by oowl on Oct 17, 2017 13:23:32 GMT -7
Thank you! That's great to hear, as it is my favorite amp so far. And i certainly don't mind picking up a 1x12 cab with a Brake Lite if it means less to lug around! I could always throw an Alnico Blue in it, but is there an alternative to that with just a few less db? Don You won't want a Blue to go with the Wreck as it is only rated at 15 watts. A Celestion Gold in a 112 will give you about the same sound but handles 50 watts. I believe this is the standard speaker w/ the Wreck 112 combo. Weber makes a Blue Dog (their take on Celestion Blue) that comes in different power ratings 15, 30, 50, and 100 watt, each being a little smoother sounding as the wattage increased. I've heard these have less sensitivity (less loud) than the Celestion Blue but I don't know for sure as they don't list this spec and I haven't A/Bed 'em. Furthermore, as said above, the Wreck now comes w/ a 1/2 power switch. Just get the the 112 combo with 1/2 power switch and a Gold and you should be set. I love that amp. Only downsides for me are weight and $$$.
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