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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 14, 2017 10:53:56 GMT -7
Looking for an excellent wah and interested in Real McCoy pedals (RMC4 and 10), Mission Engineering (both Rewah Pro & ST) and Jam Pedals Wahcko. Looking for a full, rich tone with wide sweep. Any preferences which one to go for?
Also looking for a Klon type of overdrive. Thinking about Wampler Tumnus, Rockett pedals Archer and Rimrock Mythical overdrive. Which one's got the richest sound? Are the Hermida Zendrive and JHS Morning Glory Klon rooted too?
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Post by prettynoiselab on Apr 14, 2017 13:39:10 GMT -7
I have a RMC 10 and it is the definition of an old school wah. Big wide sweep and that Jimi'ish tone going on.
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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 14, 2017 14:17:51 GMT -7
I have a RMC 10 and it is the definition of an old school wah. Big wide sweep and that Jimi'ish tone going on. Thanks for your views! There's a pretty good review & comparison on RMX pedals in Vintage Guitar magazine, especially on RMC4 and 10.
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Post by thatstatuemoved on Apr 14, 2017 20:37:36 GMT -7
Check out Rock Your Repaired Amp for a klon clone type pedal. Great pedal IMO. Several guys on this forum own one as do I. I think the guy that builds them is a forum member also. I really like mine.
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Post by Easyrom on Apr 15, 2017 0:27:31 GMT -7
Really like the old grey RMC 4, old school, throaty wah. Liked the RMC 10 too, but found harder to use in every situation. Some frequencies (I would say bass/mids) can make it a little too nasal or muffed in certain situations for my taste. Found that I could get what I like from these two plus other flavors from the Xotic Wah, without being disturbed by two many settings.
I also had and really liked both an Archer and an Archer ikon with my Z-Lux. But if I had to buy another klon like pedal to go with that amp, I would certainly try the Tumnus for what it does on the bottom end. The lack of bottom en and a sensation of stiffness is what made me let the Archers go (be much happier with a Menatone Red Snapper, best thing I've try in the boost / light overdrive range).
Hope it can help!
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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 15, 2017 2:37:58 GMT -7
Cheers for your reflections!!!
Reading the VIntage Guitar review I get an impression RMC4's sweep is little wider but on the other on the video comparison RMC10's tone is perhaps more musical. Hard to tell really. I'm not necessarily looking for the ultimate vintage wah & tone. I'd like keep my signal as strong and full as possible. SOmewhere I read Mission engineering ReWah Pro is that kind of modern pedal. Hopefully not sterile etc. of course. Wahcko of Jam Pedals sounds very clear and steady.
Watching the Andertons video review on Klon type of pedals I kind of hear some mid hump in RYRA but Tumnus stands out, very close to the original. Watching the comparison of RImrock Mythical ovedrive and Klon Centaur I can hardly hear any differcences, sometimes Ricmrock even excels the orignal.
I've run into Red Snaper before - only on videos. Sounds very convincing. Unfortunaly they haven't got an european dealer.
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Post by Faze on Apr 15, 2017 2:50:57 GMT -7
I got a fulltone Clyde wah and a rockbox boiling point. I had the archer icon and it is a great pedal.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 15, 2017 14:25:44 GMT -7
I have a Fulltone Clyde deluxe with the switchable sweeps, I think its got Jimi, Shaft, and I can't remember the third. Works great with all my Z's. The Barber Gain Changer is my go to drive pedal for now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 14:57:06 GMT -7
RMC4 sounds great with the Z-Lux, although mine's currently out of commission. I also like the Xotic Wah--lots of tweakable parameters, stays cocked, and has an LED so you don't do that thing where you can't figure out why your rig suddenly sounds so trebly.
For overdrives, I really love the Jetter GS-124--very big-sounding OD with just-right grit and nice round highs; not a harsh tone in it. Also with the Lux I've been using a Wampler Velvet Fuzz for heavier, hard-clipping tones. On the "tight" setting it's really more of a distortion than a fuzz--no mud, just the right amount of nasty. I could easily do a whole night with just those two, plus a boost.
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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 17, 2017 5:20:09 GMT -7
So glad you sharing your views & points! I can check out Xotic & Clyde here in Helsinki though cant compare them personally to RMC etc.
Gain Changer sounds more than tasty, musical and Jetter truly robust, organic, a real deal drive. All this calls for an excursion to the holy stores in UK for instance.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 17, 2017 7:19:26 GMT -7
Be sure to try as many as you can. I love the Gain Changer's way of being really meaty yet articulate too. And the Clyde Deluxe has a TON of good tones in it. I tried about 10 really nice wah pedals side by side before picking it. Have fun in the tone search!
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Post by geno on Apr 21, 2017 22:45:20 GMT -7
I have been trying out all my overdrives in front of the Zlux and have found a few that work well, but the last 2-3 gigs, I have landed on a magical combination. JRAD Archer Ikon - always on. BB Preamp set at about 9 O'Clock for low-to-mid-gain (depending on pickups). CmatMods Signa Drive with toggle in the Up position, gain set to about 3 O'Clock and Tone about noon. Between all the different combinations (each alone, stacked two or three at a time; single coils, humbuckers, in-between positions, etc), there is a huge variety of tones from almost no gain but a "thickening" of the tone, to full on Classic Rock overdrive and then some.... also these pedals have almost no noticeable compression, which I'm finding that the Z-Lux doesn't handle well (at least to my ears). Very musical and no harshness, thick, syrupy, smooth driven tones.
I have tried the following in getting to this point:
JRAD .45 Caliber - Probably my favorite outside of the above combination. Low-to-Mid gain, great greasy-grit. Almost 'tweed' like, but still on the marshall side of the house.
Zen Drive Gold - a Great pedal if you're using a strat or tele... I find that too much gain on this gets WAY too dark, but it does stay smooth and sound good... just a bit too dark for me.
Wampler Hot Wired - This pedal works GREAT and if I wanted to get rid of my pedal board and go with just a single pedal, it would be this one.
JHS Sweet Tea - 808 side was "okay" with this amp, and the Angry Charlie side just didn't cut it... too much compression. Strange too, this was my favority for a VERY long time with other amps. Just doesn't get along with the Z lux.
TS-9: Good pedal, just again too "dark" and a tad on the "woody" side. If I were to have a board big enough for several drive pedals, this would probably make the cut, since it's a classic sound and different enough from the other pedals I have.
EHX East River (TS-808): sounded so close to the TS-9, I don't need to write a separate description.
VS Sounds Royal Flush: Good dual drive pedal, and sounds very good, but with this amp, the two sides are not different enough to warrant taking up that much space on my tiny (PT-Mini) board. Again, bigger board, this would be on it.
Jetter Grissom: Absolutely horrible. The drive tone on this pedal might work well with amps that are already very overdriven, but if you need to have cleans at the ready, using this pedal just doesn't make any sense for me (considering what I like as good rock grind). I was really hoping to like it, too, DG is one of my favorite players... but this pedal is not what i thought it would be.
Keeley Stalhammer: Great heavy distortion tones. It can tame it a little, and get down into early Van Halen territory, but it's got a LOT of gain on tap (for my tastes). If I needed a true Distortion, this might be what I would use (although the distortion side of the Wampler Hot Wired, gets me all the distortion I need, so it would be a competitioin (the Stalhammer is a very small form factor, so it's got that going for it! I just don't use really heavy overdrive or distortion enough to warrant it.
While a lot of these pedals got to the board and hung in for a gig or two, none of them worked as well as the Ikon -> BB -> Signa combo, so I'm thinking that's my combo. I set the Z-lux with Boost On (about halfway up on the knob), Gain (volume) at about 10 O'Clock, Master at about 9:30; Treble at 10 O'Clock; Mids at 2 O'Clock; Bass at 11 O'Clock. I keep the reverb pretty low for most tunes (9 O'Clock) but turn it up for certain tunes. Trem stays off except for two songs, but man, does it sound great when I do use it!!
My Z-Lux is a head, and Play it through an oversize 1X12 with a Celestion A-Type speaker. I've had it now for about 2 months and I can't get enough of this amp. It's really one of the best I have EVER played. My old Tweed Bassman is my ultimate favorite, but it's too heavy, and too loud for 90% of my gigs. The Z-Lux is VERY close to nudging it out of the top spot.
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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 23, 2017 1:33:45 GMT -7
I guess the tone Lux boost isn't my thing though haven't used it much. The slight mid hump and also there emerges a very slight filter effect or "membrane" to the signal so that the amp doesn't breathe. Surely you can use it to get certain tones but 95% I prefer the boost off.
Ever since I quit using the boost of knob of my Bogner Blue Ecstasy it has proved to be just about perfect overdrive with Lux. The plexi & blue modes and also the pre / post eq switch are great and necessary tools to tweak & nail the tone perfect for each guitar. Usually I prefer less knobs and switches but in this case they really make THE difference. I use it Zvex Distortron in front of BOgner for a boost for solos. A good match.
Geno: what strikes me as a detail is the treble at 10 O'clock. Mine is usually 12-13. Very seldom at 11. Depends what you're after... Your stacking seems to be intresting, hope I get a chance to test it myself. I'm off to London in the beginning of June, so maybe there. At Peach guitars there's the selection of Z amps in Europe. Looking forward to hear myself EZG, DB4, Therapy etc.
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Post by geno on Apr 25, 2017 7:32:10 GMT -7
Tonezone66.... my main guitars are strats and teles, and they lend a lot of high-end to the tone. If I'm at noon or higher on the treble it's a nagging high-end "ping" sound. I have to tame the treble to be able to get a decent tone. I have a dual-humbucker Strat that has lollar imperials and even with that, I still have to keep the Treb below noon. Maybe different tubes or speaker?
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Post by tonezone66 on Apr 26, 2017 11:32:12 GMT -7
I've got the original speaker & tubes. I'm playin pretty low volumes, could be that or just different taste. Both of us are happy to tweak the trebles as we like it, so no probs.
By the way I ran into the VFE Merman Overdrive (a Klon clone) that sounds pretty good on the video reviews. Still think Mythical overdrive sounds best judging only by the videos.
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Post by tonyc on May 1, 2017 15:46:27 GMT -7
I use the MXR CAE Wah pedal that has the yellow and red fasel inductors. It's a great Wah and won't break the bank.
For OD, I use an Analogman King of Tone (the red channel is high gain, but this pedal doesn't really do high gain anyway). For heavier OD since I play cover tunes in Louisville, KY, I use the JHS Andy Timmons signature pedal (which is a version of their Angry Charlie pedal). It's a killer pedal. I tried the Suhr Riot, but to me the JHS blew it away. I also use an OCD from time to time, but it doesn't sound as good with the Zlux as it does with other amps.
I also have a Mad Professor 1 that sounds pretty good with it, but it doesn't sound nearly as good as the JHS. Lastly I have a Carl Martin Plexitone, which sounds great with amps that already have a lot of midrange (my old '76 Marshall for example), but it sounds fizzy and a bit gnarly with the Zlux and my old tweed Bassman and other Fender amps.
Hope this helps. Try out the JHS if you need something with a bit more gain than something like a tube screamer or equivalent (like the KOT).
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Post by ash on May 1, 2017 15:53:55 GMT -7
I have several wahs and the strange thing is my favorite is still my zillion year old Cry Baby that is warm and has a mellow q. Too many wahs seem to be too extreme to me. I prefer a warmer, more subtle effect.
I havent given up on my xotic though. Its highly tweakable and it just needs a little TLC to bring out the goods.
My Z-Lux is still new to me and Im trying out different drives. At the moment its an RCBooster for more organic SRV sounds, a Catapulp for mid drive crunch sounds and has a really good eq on it, and a BE-OD, which is also highly configurable, for heavier stuff.
Gotta admit the RC is my favorite. Its the new one with the two buttons. Shiny....very cool!
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Post by sharkboy on May 2, 2017 4:17:39 GMT -7
I also have the Clyde Deluxe (Fulltone) and the other setting is "wacked." It seems to be all I would want in a wah and then a lot more. It's a pedal looking for a song, however.
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Post by tonezone66 on May 6, 2017 3:54:19 GMT -7
I have several wahs and the strange thing is my favorite is still my zillion year old Cry Baby that is warm and has a mellow q. Too many wahs seem to be too extreme to me. I prefer a warmer, more subtle effect. I havent given up on my xotic though. Its highly tweakable and it just needs a little TLC to bring out the goods. My Z-Lux is still new to me and Im trying out different drives. At the moment its an RCBooster for more organic SRV sounds, a Catapulp for mid drive crunch sounds and has a really good eq on it, and a BE-OD, which is also highly configurable, for heavier stuff. Gotta admit the RC is my favorite. Its the new one with the two buttons. Shiny....very cool! Thought there's 4 buttons in RC?? Catapulp's a peculiar choice, maybe I'll give it a try though distortion's not my first preference. Got to admit KHDK's No 1 overdrive & Ghoul Screamer do sound good on videos at least. Anybody tried? I'm off to UK in June and at Peach Guitars I'll have an opportunity to test lots of pedals with Z-Lux. Mad Professor's Royal Blue sounds goo too when I played it with Marshall BLuesbreaker so maybe also with Lux.
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Post by ash on May 6, 2017 14:07:20 GMT -7
I have several wahs and the strange thing is my favorite is still my zillion year old Cry Baby that is warm and has a mellow q. Too many wahs seem to be too extreme to me. I prefer a warmer, more subtle effect. I havent given up on my xotic though. Its highly tweakable and it just needs a little TLC to bring out the goods. My Z-Lux is still new to me and Im trying out different drives. At the moment its an RCBooster for more organic SRV sounds, a Catapulp for mid drive crunch sounds and has a really good eq on it, and a BE-OD, which is also highly configurable, for heavier stuff. Gotta admit the RC is my favorite. Its the new one with the two buttons. Shiny....very cool! Thought there's 4 buttons in RC?? Catapulp's a peculiar choice, maybe I'll give it a try though distortion's not my first preference. Got to admit KHDK's No 1 overdrive & Ghoul Screamer do sound good on videos at least. Anybody tried? I'm off to UK in June and at Peach Guitars I'll have an opportunity to test lots of pedals with Z-Lux. Mad Professor's Royal Blue sounds goo too when I played it with Marshall BLuesbreaker so maybe also with Lux. The RC I have has 2 foot switches. Its the new one with the reflective surface. The Catapulp is supposed to be an Orange in a box. I dont know how well it does that. Ive only owned the little lunch box, I cant recall the name, and it doesnt sound anything like that. What I like about the Catapulp is that it is so configurable. You can dial in heavier sounds but I use it more as an overdrive. The 3 band eq is great and it sounds good with lower gain and cranked. It is definitely a unique pedal. The KHDK Ghoul is the most radically cool TS pedal Ive ever played. Definitely on my to get list.
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Post by tonezone66 on May 7, 2017 10:09:22 GMT -7
Got to admit this traumatic relationship with TS genre pedals: really liked the Paisley overdrive but it lacked some body or steadiness. Earthquaker Devices Dunes didn't work out for me either. Also had Fulltone OCD but absolutely wrong pedal for Two Rock & Vox. KHDK Overdrive no 1 sounds a better choice for me on the grounds of the video reviews. Very musical & beefy. SInce there are no KHDK dealers either in Helsinki or London I'm tempted to order one online. Surely I'll check out Catapulp too.
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Post by ash on May 10, 2017 14:35:08 GMT -7
Got to admit this traumatic relationship with TS genre pedals: really liked the Paisley overdrive but it lacked some body or steadiness. Earthquaker Devices Dunes didn't work out for me either. Also had Fulltone OCD but absolutely wrong pedal for Two Rock & Vox. KHDK Overdrive no 1 sounds a better choice for me on the grounds of the video reviews. Very musical & beefy. SInce there are no KHDK dealers either in Helsinki or London I'm tempted to order one online. Surely I'll check out Catapulp too. To my ears the khdk is very different from the Catapulp. The khdk is a fancy ts808. The Catapulp has this little upper mid hump but otherwise its not a mid strong pedal. The eq gives you a safety net in that you are bound to be able to dial in something usable.
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Post by Rik on May 12, 2017 18:54:37 GMT -7
OCD, Wampler Plexi drive and a Flying Dragon. No Wah yet.
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Post by robpanarelli on May 13, 2017 1:00:03 GMT -7
I'm finding the Tumnus stacked into a Timmy does it for me. The amps' volume is at 9' o'clock. The Timmy is just awesome with the Tumnus feeding it.
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Post by ash on May 14, 2017 7:37:44 GMT -7
The OCD really is an amazing pedal. It's not a perfect match for all amps but I can see it working with the Z-Lux.
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Post by Easyrom on May 14, 2017 10:50:09 GMT -7
The OCD really is an amazing pedal. It's not a perfect match for all amps but I can see it working with the Z-Lux. It does work really fine with the Z-Lux. I just sold mine though; I didn't care too much about the high peak mode and prefer my Red Snappers rather than the low peak mode.
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Post by Rik on May 15, 2017 5:04:23 GMT -7
I also really like my new Clarcksdale with my Strat. ( for the TS Tone) it can be set to sound very warm also ( For a TS)
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