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Post by texan2step on Jan 22, 2017 15:56:27 GMT -7
Anybody see this release at NAMM? I guess the guys from That Pedal Show challenged Keeley to make them a dual overdrive that met both of their tastes in one pedal. I've watched their demo and it sounded really cool but I need another dirt pedal like a hole in my head! Still I might have to check it out.
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Post by KeithA on Jan 22, 2017 16:31:56 GMT -7
I just looked at the NAMM video.......it looks neat. I like Keeley and may give this one a go when it is released.
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Post by JeffG on Jan 22, 2017 16:45:30 GMT -7
I hope they do a video comparing it to other pedals like it.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 22, 2017 18:13:59 GMT -7
Yeah, dang it... I wonder if I'll sucker myself into getting it, since I love watching those two so much.
Though, I'm still trying to get myself past how much Keeley has morphed--from Boss mods, to his own admittedly awesome pedals (all of which I'd accepted as "standards" for so long) to nowadays producing so many fly-by-night pedals that seem to come & go in a flash. I'm not trying to get down on him, but there's just SO many pedals on the market that I get less & less excited about new ones every time.
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Post by zpilot on Jan 22, 2017 18:28:44 GMT -7
Yeah, dang it... I wonder if I'll sucker myself into getting it, since I love watching those two so much. Though, I'm still trying to get myself past how much Keeley has morphed--from Boss mods, to his own admittedly awesome pedals (all of which I'd accepted as "standards" for so long) to nowadays producing so many fly-by-night pedals that seem to come & go in a flash. I'm not trying to get down on him, but there's just SO many pedals on the market that I get less & less excited about new ones every time. Fly-by-night pedals? Here is my take on that. The effect pedal market is so flaky that I see the wisdom of making a bunch of different designs and seeing which ones stick.
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Post by texan2step on Jan 22, 2017 19:35:30 GMT -7
I hope they do a video comparing it to other pedals like it. I agree. I really liked the sound that Dan was getting but would like to hear him compare to others with dual sides. I'm sure there will be a ton of comparison videos here before too long.
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Post by KeithA on Jan 23, 2017 4:03:26 GMT -7
Yeah, dang it... I wonder if I'll sucker myself into getting it, since I love watching those two so much. Though, I'm still trying to get myself past how much Keeley has morphed--from Boss mods, to his own admittedly awesome pedals (all of which I'd accepted as "standards" for so long) to nowadays producing so many fly-by-night pedals that seem to come & go in a flash. I'm not trying to get down on him, but there's just SO many pedals on the market that I get less & less excited about new ones every time. Fly-by-night pedals? Here is my take on that. The effect pedal market is so flaky that I see the wisdom of making a bunch of different designs and seeing which ones stick. +1000 As well, the lower costs and labour requirements for pedals vs other products makes it easy for everyone and their dog to participate. Very low barrier to entry. Maybe the 'best' pedal won't be the one that catches on but a quirky one will.
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Post by Easyrom on Jan 23, 2017 4:13:39 GMT -7
Good marketing operation for sure! Don't get me wrong: the pedal can be very good and probably is, but it's anyway a good commercial operation, cause That Pedal Show does well and these two guys seem to be really appreciated by the international community of guitarists. And when you know that Dan's two sides overdrive Graal is the Analogman King of Tone, we can imagine good things to be hear.
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Post by doctorice on Jan 23, 2017 6:47:44 GMT -7
It appears Keeley has taken the "two pedals in one box" to its logical end: the ability to separate placement of each side within the effects chain. At least I thought I heard that could be done with a TRS cable.
I love TPS and have several Keeley pedals, so I'll probably give this one a shot.
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Post by texan2step on Jan 23, 2017 7:05:11 GMT -7
It appears Keeley has taken the "two pedals in one box" to its logical end: the ability to separate placement of each side within the effects chain. At least I thought I heard that could be done with a TRS cable. I love TPS and have several Keeley pedals, so I'll probably give this one a shot. That's what I heard as well. It's cool to have that ability. Although, I prefer Analogman's option to have two sets of hacks that are normalized so you can use the outside Jack's to run as normal or split the pedal up in your pedal chain.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 23, 2017 7:48:06 GMT -7
Yeah, dang it... I wonder if I'll sucker myself into getting it, since I love watching those two so much. Though, I'm still trying to get myself past how much Keeley has morphed--from Boss mods, to his own admittedly awesome pedals (all of which I'd accepted as "standards" for so long) to nowadays producing so many fly-by-night pedals that seem to come & go in a flash. I'm not trying to get down on him, but there's just SO many pedals on the market that I get less & less excited about new ones every time. Fly-by-night pedals? Here is my take on that. The effect pedal market is so flaky that I see the wisdom of making a bunch of different designs and seeing which ones stick. Yeah, I know.. sorry to sound so down on Keeley. He is highly respected and I love the pedals of his that I already have. He's definitely not "fly-by-night;" it's just that I can't wrap my mind around all the literally hundreds of overdrive pedals on the market right now.
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Post by lukefromcanada on Jan 24, 2017 6:46:51 GMT -7
Fly-by-night pedals? Here is my take on that. The effect pedal market is so flaky that I see the wisdom of making a bunch of different designs and seeing which ones stick. Yeah, I know.. sorry to sound so down on Keeley. He is highly respected and I love the pedals of his that I already have. He's definitely not "fly-by-night;" it's just that I can't wrap my mind around all the literally hundreds of overdrive pedals on the market right now. I can understand your point of view. I was VERY intrigued when I saw this. I have a ton of appreciation for Dan and Mick and I LOVE my keeley modded delay so I know he does good work. But with that Chase Bill brothers pedal and the 3 dirt pedals already on my board plus my Klon GAS... Well when does it all end!? Especially when my Z can make some pretty phenomenal overdrive sounds on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 8:42:31 GMT -7
A whole lot of ice cream 🍦 out their.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 12:27:21 GMT -7
Yeah, I know.. sorry to sound so down on Keeley. He is highly respected and I love the pedals of his that I already have. He's definitely not "fly-by-night;" it's just that I can't wrap my mind around all the literally hundreds of overdrive pedals on the market right now. I can understand your point of view. I was VERY intrigued when I saw this. I have a ton of appreciation for Dan and Mick and I LOVE my keeley modded delay so I know he does good work. But with that Chase Bill brothers pedal and the 3 dirt pedals already on my board plus my Klon GAS... Well when does it all end!? Especially when my Z can make some pretty phenomenal overdrive sounds on its own. I don't get the hype around Chase Bliss. Joel's a good guy and there is no one building pedals like him, but they're jacks of all trades and masters of none. I needed an associate's degree to figure out the Tonal Recall. I just want to play guitar!!!
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Post by lukefromcanada on Jan 25, 2017 21:43:45 GMT -7
I can understand your point of view. I was VERY intrigued when I saw this. I have a ton of appreciation for Dan and Mick and I LOVE my keeley modded delay so I know he does good work. But with that Chase Bill brothers pedal and the 3 dirt pedals already on my board plus my Klon GAS... Well when does it all end!? Especially when my Z can make some pretty phenomenal overdrive sounds on its own. I don't get the hype around Chase Bliss. Joel's a good guy and there is no one building pedals like him, but they're jacks of all trades and masters of none. I needed an associate's degree to figure out the Tonal Recall. I just want to play guitar!!! I have to sheepishly admit I've never owned one of his pedals. At this point I'm going based on hype and demos. The warped vinyl has me the most intrigued by far, but the brothers pedal with midi functionality has certainly piqued my interest. Kind of sounds like the all analog equivalent of the riverside.
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Post by detuned on Jan 26, 2017 16:14:36 GMT -7
Fly-by-night pedals? Here is my take on that. The effect pedal market is so flaky that I see the wisdom of making a bunch of different designs and seeing which ones stick. Yeah, I know.. sorry to sound so down on Keeley. He is highly respected and I love the pedals of his that I already have. He's definitely not "fly-by-night;" it's just that I can't wrap my mind around all the literally hundreds of overdrive pedals on the market right now. On the plus side, since he keeps whipping them out in smaller numbers, you've got a decent shot at yours becoming the next Klon in ten years or so...
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Post by Norrin Radd on Jan 28, 2017 10:12:10 GMT -7
I don't get the hype around Chase Bliss. Joel's a good guy and there is no one building pedals like him, but they're jacks of all trades and masters of none. I needed an associate's degree to figure out the Tonal Recall. I just want to play guitar!!! Careful Frank - you're right on the cusp of becoming old man in rocking chair on porch waving stick in air shouting at the wind! Seriously though, some would argue that Joel's pedals are masters of many trades. Have you had an opportunity to mess around with any for an extended time? They are really quite impressive. I like that they have the ability to set presets in the pedal - and at least a couple (or 6 with the "faves" pedal) that don't require any fancy midi or similar programming (although that capability is also in there). I also really like that his pedals are not run of the mill tones - nor anywhere near them, really - even though you can mimic a lot with them if you like. I dig the mad scientist/experimentation side of them. They can have negative aspects as well, for example the Tonal Recall does not get bright enough for me and overall the pedals are even more complex than I would need. But I'm a simple man - the "small" Strymon pedals are about as complex as I can personally handle. But I'm glad these pedals (and anything of their ilk) are being made. I have to admit that guitar tones on the radio haven't exactly evolved much since I've been listening for the last 40 years. I would like to hear some more non-traditional guitar tones, and I think CB et al., might help move things in that direction. Or maybe not?
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Post by baldeagle on Feb 27, 2018 20:05:03 GMT -7
The D&M is my third and by far the best multi-drive I have owned. The first was the Empress Multidrive. It is impeccably designed: you can feel the build quality. It has 3 distinct drives: OD, Distortion and Fuzz running in parallel. There are 2 presets which are controlled via internal DIP- switches. Each setting can connect 1, 2 or all drives, with the respective Level knobs controlling the mix of the selected drives. My first preset was just the OD; preset 2 was the Distortion & Fuzz. One set of Treble, Mid and Bass knobs control the overall tone.
It is a very intuitive pedal, but the downside is that none of the drives sound good to me.
The second was the Strymon Riverside. There is nothing about this pedal that I liked. Despite the analog front-end, it sounds digital to me. It is also not very intuitive: you can save 1 setting and then adjust a second setting which you cannot save. If you click on your saved setting and then tweak it, then switch to the unsaved setting, and then back to the saved setting, you lose your tweaks. As a result, it is not well-suited to live play.
The D&M is very intuitive. Both the drive and boost sides have plenty of good tones on their own, and you can stack them - boost into drive, or vice versa. Very flexible. I played with it for about 1/2 hr the day before a gig, found it easy to get usable tones into my Maz 18 NR, and gigged with it the next night. It sounded great!
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Post by baldeagle on Feb 28, 2018 9:24:21 GMT -7
I should add that the drive side sounds a lot like an OCD, and the boost like a Klon, which Dan & Mick confirm we're their inspirations for the D&M. But neither is an exact copy, which is a good thing. I had an ARC Effects Klone 2, which I have heard convincingly AB'd against a real Klon, but I found it too mid-spikey and harsh, even at low gain settings.
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