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Post by twili (Carlos) on Jun 11, 2016 19:12:11 GMT -7
Hello!
I'm planning on getting a 2x10 cab in the future so I can have a "lighter", smaller, practice rig. I currently use the quantum silver 2x12 Z-wreck cab along with my Maz 38 and it's probably my favorite cab I've ever played out of. It has a Celestion Gold 12 and a G12H30 in it to get that nice blend of chimey alnico goodness with a nice low end.
With the 2x10 I'm gonna get I'm thinking of kind of doing a similar configuration. My main question is, what is the difference between a Red Fang alnico 10" and a Celestion Gold 10"? I'm not sure what each sound like or where their strengths lie.
Also, if I wanted to get a similar blend of tones like I have in my ZWreck cab, what speaker would pair well with either the Red Fang or Gold 10? Or would you just do just do both of the same speaker? The music I play has a lot of crazy effects, synthy sounds, and low end sometimes, so I'd need speakers that can take a beating. I use a p90 equipped les Paul Jr to get a nice crunchy, bitey tone out of the Maz.
What say you?
Thanks!
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Post by freddieg on Jun 11, 2016 20:30:38 GMT -7
Red fang is louder. Gold is sweeter.
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Post by pcns on Jun 11, 2016 20:58:04 GMT -7
The gold is more balanced (some would say brighter). The Red Fang is a bit darker and has a nice growl to it when you push it
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Post by calfzilla on Jun 12, 2016 5:19:50 GMT -7
If you can find some of the old THD Vintage 10's, they would probably be perfect.
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Post by John on Jun 12, 2016 5:21:29 GMT -7
I've had both. My 1x10 Ghia came with a fang. At the time, I was playing in a modern country band, and I needed a certain signature tone to go with the music. I play a tele with vintage-low output pickups.
When the amp arrived (with the fang), I fired it up and something wasn't right. That signature tone wasn't there. I made the decision to buy a 1x10 gold. When I installed it and fired up the amp, it took me three seconds...literally three seconds to say "WOW...that's IT!"
FANG: It's a LOUD speaker for a given amount of power. Way too much for my needs, but others may appreciate it. The speaker lacks chime and an upper register brightness. It has a bit of a lower midrange focus push to it. It may be alright for many types of applications, but for what I needed, it wasn't the right speaker.
GOLD: There's a bright and upper mid focus to the speaker. Very pleasing balance of bass, mid, treble for guitar application. Part of the upper mid and brightness comes from less bass than the fang. The guitar is a mid instrument, so mids are important in a guitar speaker. I prefer the less bass. So as Todd said above, the fang has more bass and more lower mids. The gold has more upper mids and brightness.
But based on what you've said you're looking for, I might give the Fang a try...and try it in a 1x10. It's loud enough that 1 ten should be enough for rehearsals. A Maz 38 pounding into a 1x10 Fang should be MORE than enough for rehearsals. It will save you money and less weight to move.
With your current cabinet, you're probably liking the tone because you're getting all the mids from the gold, and all the bass from the H. H speakers have recessed mids, and the gold has recessed bass. So they compliment each other. (both speakers have pretty good high end)
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 12, 2016 14:53:33 GMT -7
If I were to try replicating the G12 Gold + G12H-30 sound in a 2x10, I would try the (obviously) G10 Gold plus either a...
Eminence Ramrod (British rock speaker, loves overdrive, thinks it's a 12") Eminence Ragin' Cajun (technically it's American-toned, but has big lows & highs like the G12H-30 and can rock) Dr. Z's 10" (it's been said that this is similar to the Ramrod; see above why that's good)
(Notice all these speakers have pretty large magnets for a 10" speaker. A G10 Greenback, on the other hand, with its smaller magnet sounds great but IMO isn't going to approximate the sound of a G12H-30 at all.)
Honestly, though.. 2 x G10 Golds would be pretty darned killer, too. Don't discount that idea itself.
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Post by twili (Carlos) on Jun 12, 2016 20:01:10 GMT -7
Thanks for the suggestions!
The G10 is sounding a the smart choice...... I kind of had that "THAT's IT!" moment when I played through my G12 for the time. Leaning more towards the G10 now.
I have a greenback in my Mini-Z at the moment and it sounds pretty great with that amp. Not sure if I would use it in my Maz38/band rig though. Now I'm thinking of what speaker will work best alongside the G10. The Ragin Cajun, Ramrod, and Dr Z 10 all sound like prime candidates.. especially at those low price points.
I'm curious, has anyone tried the ceramic version of the Red Fang? Model RF10C? What did you think?
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Post by John on Jun 13, 2016 4:59:11 GMT -7
The G10...the 10" greenback is considerably quieter than most other speakers for a given amount of power. If you pair it with a Ragin Cajun or a ramrod, those two speaker will drown it out. You will be hearing...primarily...the non greenback.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 6, 2020 18:09:53 GMT -7
If you can find some of the old THD Vintage 10's, they would probably be perfect. Do you have one of these? What are you using it with? Any comparisons?
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Post by limenine on Feb 10, 2020 7:12:26 GMT -7
I have a Z 210 cab, and, honestly, I've really never felt the need to swap out the original speakers for anything else.
Paired with a Maz18 it pretty much nails whatever sound I try for - ie between the guitar of choice, maz tone controls and a pedal or three it covers a lot of ground.
Of course, I understand that if you are trying to get a very specific sound with no fiddling around that the speakers are a big part of it - I'm just saying you might not need to worry about it yet.
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