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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 8, 2006 4:23:30 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a Red Fang With a stang (sting) ray? I just bought the 1x12 #17 that was posted for sale on the forum. It has a single celestion blue in it. I'm a little scared of blowing it. Does anyone have much experience with this combination. I tried a red fang in a deluxe reverb and it was a little dark. HC
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jul 8, 2006 11:58:45 GMT -7
hunter,
WELCOME to the forum... I tried to get that amp too but just couldn't swing another that quickly.... I'm still gonna get another RAY, but I'm glad somebody got it that will appreciate and take care of it...
If your not gonna push it hard at all then then the blue would be fine as long as your very careful BUT....
WHAT I WAS GONNA DO AND WOULD DO.....
is put a 50 watt Alnico WEBER BLUEDOG w/ light dope in that puppy and NEVER worry about it...you'll have great headroom, spank, warmth, with all the sparkle/ but NOT too bright or harsh and NO DARKNESS what-so-ever!!
and another thought is you could get the WEBER BLUEDOG for the combo in 16 ohms (instead of 8 ohms) and use the 16 ohm jack from the RAY when using it by itself in the combo... BUT then you could get a 1x12 EXT cab and put a WEBER 50 watt Alnico SILVERBELL in it and use the 8 ohm jack with a Y cable to run both speakers... (or of course you could also use two 8 ohm speakers and the Y cable through the 4 ohm jack)
And thinking along the same line....really you could even leave the single Blue in if your gonna usually go easy on it and not turn it up past eleven or so when using just the one blue in the combo only (and low volume is very possible/ usable with the RAY cause I've played at least 2 gigs with mine where I used ONLY the RAY and didn't turn it past 9:00 the whole time) AND THEN when you wanna crank it a little more... Do the same thing as above BUT INSTEAD get a 1x12 ext cab with another Celestion BLUE in it to match the BLUE you've already got in it at 8 ohms (I assume the blue already in it is 8 ohms)... THEN use the Y cable out of the 4 ohm jack to run both speakers??
ALOT of options for you which is why I liked that 1x12 AMP.... NOT to mention the fact that it's WAY lighter than a 2x12 combo!!!
But I dont think you could go wrong with just simply putting the 50 watt WEBER alnico blue in there.... and wear that amp out!
(you could even find a 2x12 Z combo cab and just make it into a 2x12 combo like the rest of em)
Hope some of this helps but you've got ALOT of cool options.... let us know what you decide to do and how you like it.... ;D
Jason
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 8, 2006 13:07:28 GMT -7
whut he said....
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 10, 2006 2:04:08 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply. I was curious about the weber as well. I had a bad experience with two blue pups (10" ) in my mazerati 2x10. Maybe the Blue Dogs will sound better. (or dog in this case) I already have a red fang under the bed so I will probably give it a whirl when the amp gets here. I didn't like it in a Deluxe Reverb I tried it in. I couldn't get a good tele spank out of it. Although @ high gain it was sweet! The Blue dog my be my baby though. I want bottom and sparkle without harshness. HC
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jul 10, 2006 7:45:16 GMT -7
If I'm not mistaken, The original owner ordered that amp with his own RED FANG in mind to use with it but then didn't like it... traded it back to the store and they swapped the RED FANG for a BLUE and that how it ended up... Heres a link to the story behind your new amp from this forum... drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?board=stingray&action=display&thread=1147447747Check out what DR Z has to say... it's about 3/4ths down the 1st page.... about this amp HE MADE... basically says it all! and also see this thread with a link to the harmony central review on your amp: drzamplifiers.proboards41.com/index.cgi?board=stingray&action=display&thread=1141833460hey try that speaker you got... you may love it... I've liked several speakers with my ray other than the Standard Cele. Blues... I think the G12-H30 sounds good with it/ would be worth a try... maybe even a tonker... BUT My first choice would be also what the Doc recommended... Weber Bluedog... Let us know what you try and finally decide on... what you liked and what you didn't like... I for one would be interested in what you go with... WHATS really neat is you got a one of a kind amp with some pretty cool history... very cool so, have some KARMA! ;D Jason
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 10, 2006 21:02:36 GMT -7
I put the Eminence red fang in that was sitting under the bed. I had intentions of putting it on ebay. I'm glad I held on to it. The blue sounded great, but I could tell that the low end was going to cause an explosion. I own a live sound company and I have blown a few speakers in my time. It wouldn't take much past 10 o'clock on the gas pedal. I put the red fang in and "right on brotha!" The bass responce is a little different, but to me it has a much more even sound. The cones and dust caps look the same in each speaker, but the red fang has a little more dope. I tried the red fang in a silver/black faced mod deluxe reverb and hated it. It's a whole different beast with the ray. To me the ray has what I have tried to get out of the the three Mazeratis that I have had. I still want to try the weber blue dog in the amp. I am also ordering a 30 watt Nick Greer speaker to try out. It is close to a vintage g12-h30. I just want to try it. Nick and I grew up together and he lives for designing tube amps. I have played this amp all afternoon. I can't wait to hit the road with it.
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Post by str8arrow on Jul 11, 2006 7:44:11 GMT -7
I belive it was a FANE, not a Red Fang
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 11, 2006 13:12:21 GMT -7
It did say "FANE" in that original post.
I ain't one to second guess the Doc. For me his suggestions have always been right on from which tubes to which speakers to use with his amps. If he's says he designed the amp to sound best with a Weber Blue or Celestion Gold, then I don't doubt that.
BUT, an H30 would be good option to try for good chime and solid bottom, as another suggested above... The ceramic speakers always have a little different character than alnico, but I think the H30 rivals an alnico blue for good chime, and it definitely has a bigger and more sold bottom. The southbayampworks.com "Scumback" SA-12-75 in particular is the VERY BEST H30 I've ever used, and in fact it's my favorite speaker period. They also make a higher power handling 65 watt version of this speaker that might be an even safer choice for the 30 watt Stingray, but you *should* be OK with the standard 30 watt version. For my tastes, the Scumbacks are nothing short of magic. I haven't heard a more 3D sounding speaker.
I can't speak to the 50w alnico weber blue dogs though as I've never owned one, but I own a 15w Weber alnico Blue Dog and it's a FANTASTIC sounding speaker... Weber makes great speakers. Incidentally, Ted Weber also makes the Scumbacks for South Bay Amp Works.
I've also never heard/played a Celestion Gold, but I'd certainly like to.
I know a lot of guys dig the Red Fang... there was something artificial sounding about that speaker that I never could adjust to... an upper mid harshness. Maybe I got a bad pair of 'em? Who knows. Lots of guys love that speaker, so YMMV.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jul 11, 2006 16:59:33 GMT -7
I belive it was a FANE, not a Red Fang Well, I'm mistaken.... your right ... I'm wrong it was originally a Fane.... Ooops ...guess it took so long to FIND that link I failed to Re-read it... Next time I begin to write " I might be mistaken...." before something, I think I'll just write " Well, I'm probably wrong..." ;D Glad the Speaker he already had worked out well.... and he likes it.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 11, 2006 19:41:25 GMT -7
Oooo... I wasn't trying to rub it in your face if it came across that way... I was just trying to clarify. Gosh darn lack of internet voice inflection! Meh, you guys know me better than that anyways... although I do have my days. ;D
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jul 11, 2006 20:33:14 GMT -7
Oooo... I wasn't trying to rub it in your face if it came across that way... I was just trying to clarify. Gosh darn lack of internet voice inflection! Meh, you guys know me better than that anyways... although I do have my days. ;D Not at all, I thought it was kinda funny... I SHOULD'VE KNOWN I was probably wrong in the first place when I started with the line... " If I'm not mistaken" can you say DUH...... I'm big enough to admit it when i'm wrong.... but I've had alot of practice...... ALOT of practice, just ask my wife ;D ;D VERY cool to know the RED FANG worked well with it... I think there are alot of speakers that could work well with it... depending on what you want the amp to do and style music you play....
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 12, 2006 8:22:59 GMT -7
I have noticed a 2-4k Hz harshness in the set up. It's probably the way I play. I will have a better idea when I take it on the road this weekend. Things always change in a live setting. HC
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Post by Curt on Jul 12, 2006 19:19:06 GMT -7
IF YA DO GRAB A WEBER BLUE DOG (and I would) GET THE ALNICO VERSION.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 13, 2006 6:03:43 GMT -7
IF YA DO GRAB A WEBER BLUE DOG (and I would) GET THE ALNICO VERSION. Curt, you don't like the ceramic version? I've got one of those on the way to me to try with the Ghia in a 2x12 right now...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 13, 2006 6:13:14 GMT -7
IF YA DO GRAB A WEBER BLUE DOG (and I would) GET THE ALNICO VERSION. Curt, you don't like the ceramic version? I've got one of those on the way to me to try with the Ghia in a 2x12 right now... Be sure you let it break in before you make a decision - it gets a lot smoother on the top once broken in. So much so that I didn't care for it any longer. I have two of the 50 watt ceramics with slight doping here, and I really don't know what I'm going to do with them.
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Post by Curt on Jul 13, 2006 7:48:23 GMT -7
IF YA DO GRAB A WEBER BLUE DOG (and I would) GET THE ALNICO VERSION. Curt, you don't like the ceramic version? I've got one of those on the way to me to try with the Ghia in a 2x12 right now... WAY too bright and brittle for me..and Madison...and guitarman1 from this forum as Guit bought it new, Madison grabbed it, then me..then off to someone from TGP. maybe it was a freak but whew..BRIGHT. The Alnico is awesome though ;D 30 watter, light dope, Steve loved his 50 watter new as stated above so YMMV of course. BTW Chad, glad to see you back on a regular basis !!
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 13, 2006 10:27:49 GMT -7
Thanks for the info tele62 and benttop!
I was actually hoping for a speaker on the bright side, so maybe I'll be happy? The one I've got coming to me is a 30w w/ light dope... Hope it's not too warm once it breaks in... well, time will tell!
Thanks Curt. It's good to be back! I'll try not to do the hiatus thing again. I just go through phases at times I guess... guitar phase, fishing phase, hunting phase. But I don't like phasers, so go figure! ;D
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 13, 2006 10:29:31 GMT -7
"Gentleman, Phasers on stun!"
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Post by Curt on Jul 13, 2006 10:39:54 GMT -7
Actually, I kinda dig my MXR Phase 90 on some old Waylon and Merle tunes ;^) I'll even stomp it between tunes..well actually I'll stomp everything on, and hit some Jimi licks.......get's the crowd's attention with out fail LOL...'couse my beer intake helps ;^) Chad, understand the attention drift, I am horrible at getting way too focussed on a hobby and having too many hobbies, that has caused me mucho grief as I always sold off one hobbies gear to get deeper into another only to come full circle and repaet in reverse !!! Now I stick with my music, still hunt, fish and golf but rarely and only as a passing interest when invited..... now if I could stop selling music gear........argghhh always regret it Again, glad your back. DUDE.......I'm gettin' an SRZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$ down, markin' the day's......6/7 months is gunna be a loooonggg timmme.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 13, 2006 11:18:36 GMT -7
SRZ... AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then I guess you're about to have the best Marshall-type tones on the PLANET at your disposal eh?! I really need to phase out my phase outs... That's EXACTLY what I do, and it ends up costing me more money in the long run. I just wish I could get my wife to understand that. Though I can't complain -- she's pretty good about gear purchases for all my hobbies; music is probably the LEAST expensive of them all. Well, bowhunting probably is, but not if you consider the price of private land which will be my next major purchase in the coming year or so. At least land is a good investment! Fishing boats and gear, not so much... heck, with what I spend on gas for the boat in a year I could easily buy an amp or two each season, but I get grumpy when I'm not out on the water at least once a week.
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Post by hipfan on Jul 13, 2006 11:55:13 GMT -7
Be sure you let it break in before you make a decision - it gets a lot smoother on the top once broken in. So much so that I didn't care for it any longer. I have two of the 50 watt ceramics with slight doping here, and I really don't know what I'm going to do with them. Get them reconed as 30 watters IMO. I find the 50 watt Blue Dog to be substantially less "lively" than the 30 watters, especially in the top end. I like the 30 watters much, much more because of this. I would bet a dollar (maybe even more that ;D) that the Weber 30 watt voicecoil would solve your problem with excessive smoothness. At $25 a pop (plus shipping), it's a low-cost experiment and you end up with the more popular version of the speaker anyway.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 13, 2006 12:16:35 GMT -7
Be sure you let it break in before you make a decision - it gets a lot smoother on the top once broken in. So much so that I didn't care for it any longer. I have two of the 50 watt ceramics with slight doping here, and I really don't know what I'm going to do with them. Get them reconed as 30 watters IMO. I find the 50 watt Blue Dog to be substantially less "lively" than the 30 watters, especially in the top end. I like the 30 watters much, much more because of this. I would bet a dollar (maybe even more that ;D) that the Weber 30 watt voicecoil would solve your problem with excessive smoothness. At $25 a pop (plus shipping), it's a low-cost experiment and you end up with the more popular version of the speaker anyway. This is EXACTLY what I wanted/needed to hear!
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 17, 2006 2:13:49 GMT -7
I just got back from a couple of road gigs with the 1x12 Stingray. The first night sucked. The 2nd night I got to spend some more time with the amp before the show. I finally found the sweet spot for what I do. Wow! I love it now. The Red Fang did a great job!
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jul 17, 2006 6:30:21 GMT -7
Be sure you let it break in before you make a decision - it gets a lot smoother on the top once broken in. So much so that I didn't care for it any longer. I have two of the 50 watt ceramics with slight doping here, and I really don't know what I'm going to do with them. Get them reconed as 30 watters IMO. I find the 50 watt Blue Dog to be substantially less "lively" than the 30 watters, especially in the top end. I like the 30 watters much, much more because of this. I would bet a dollar (maybe even more that ;D) that the Weber 30 watt voicecoil would solve your problem with excessive smoothness. At $25 a pop (plus shipping), it's a low-cost experiment and you end up with the more popular version of the speaker anyway. Thanks for that - I may just do that!
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Jul 17, 2006 7:02:02 GMT -7
I just got back from a couple of road gigs with the 1x12 Stingray. The first night sucked. The 2nd night I got to spend some more time with the amp before the show. I finally found the sweet spot for what I do. Wow! I love it now. The Red Fang did a great job! It's SO satisfying when a tonal plan comes together, isn't it?! Glad you're happy!
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Post by hunter6726 on Jul 26, 2006 14:08:07 GMT -7
The red fang is not my friend anymore. I hear a rattling noise inside. It will be on it's way back to Eminince. I just orded a 50w weber blue. In the meantime I have a h30 in the amp. It's a little harsh with a tele.
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Post by Bill on Jul 26, 2006 17:42:35 GMT -7
The red fang is not my friend anymore. I hear a rattling noise inside. It will be on it's way back to Eminince. I just orded a 50w weber blue. In the meantime I have a h30 in the amp. It's a little harsh with a tele. The 50w Blue dog is a good choice w/ a 'Ray & Tele!
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Post by whitestrat on Jul 27, 2007 14:09:39 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a Red Fang With a stang (sting) ray? I just bought the 1x12 #17 that was posted for sale on the forum. It has a single celestion blue in it. I'm a little scared of blowing it. Does anyone have much experience with this combination. I tried a red fang in a deluxe reverb and it was a little dark. HC I have a Stang Ray head and an Avatar Vintage 1X12" open back cab loaded with a 16 ohm AlNiCo Red Fang. I usually play this amp with a Fender Relic Strat. The Red Fang sounds fantastic with my Stang Ray. It has the chimey top end you get with AlNiCos, warm full mids, and rich fat bottom. Nothin' dark about this speaker whatsoever. I would highly recommend the Red Fang for a Stang Ray. You'll blow a single Celestion Blue unless you keep the volume way down.
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 27, 2007 18:54:26 GMT -7
I too had a Red fang and found it to be a little too dark as well with my Ghia.
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Post by whitestrat on Jul 28, 2007 6:22:05 GMT -7
I too had a Red fang and found it to be a little too dark as well with my Ghia. Trust me, the Fang ain't dark in the Stang.
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