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Post by Stan on Sept 11, 2014 13:23:14 GMT -7
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Sept 11, 2014 13:36:16 GMT -7
You mean you didn't a 29% pay increase this year?
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Post by djcakadave on Sept 11, 2014 13:39:20 GMT -7
Think this will increase the used Gibson market as well? P.O.S.'s
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Post by kustom250 on Sept 11, 2014 13:45:00 GMT -7
I'm all in with model reductions...I'd kinda like a Les Paul but I can't begin to keep track of what's what.
My two favorite dealers are at least 2 hours away from me so I don't just head out the door unless I know they have something I want to try out...and I usually just end up confused with Gibson.
Auto tuners on a $3000 guitar? Dumb. Really, really dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:00:46 GMT -7
Oh Henry.....
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Post by mickey on Sept 11, 2014 14:28:46 GMT -7
Unbelievable...there must be a rationale somewhere but it's hard to see where. Makes me even more happy with the Gibsons I already own, can't see I'll be buying any more.
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Post by markT on Sept 11, 2014 15:19:01 GMT -7
WOO HOO!!! Does this mean my '08 R9 will be worth 29% more Jan 1 ?
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Post by JeffG on Sept 11, 2014 16:03:57 GMT -7
I've never thought that anyone who was going to spend $3K on a guitar wouldn't be able to tune it him/herself.
I do like that they're going to release fewer guitar though. I mean, how many different Slash and Bonamassa signature guitars does the world really need?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 16:14:10 GMT -7
Probably have to do it. (raise prices)
Who know's when Guitar Center will implode? Imagine what that will do to the whole industry. I'm glad the good Doc doesn't have any stuff in there stores.
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on Sept 11, 2014 16:26:35 GMT -7
I've never thought that anyone who was going to spend $3K on a guitar wouldn't be able to tune it him/herself. I do like that they're going to release fewer guitar though. I mean, how many different Slash and Bonamassa signature guitars does the world really need? The auto-tuner is not about people who can't tune their guitar as much as it's about the alternate tunings you can have at a touch of a button. And... even though i've been playing guitar for over 40 years, i'd love to have my guitar tune itself. definitely. that said... i don't like that it's going to be standard on all guitars. that's a little too much.
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Post by KeithA on Sept 11, 2014 16:31:08 GMT -7
I bought my "once in a lifetime" Gibson last year...so, raise away Henry Keith
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Post by nmz on Sept 11, 2014 16:39:20 GMT -7
Probably have to do it. (raise prices) Who know's when Guitar Center will implode? Imagine what that will do to the whole industry. I'm glad the good Doc doesn't have any stuff in there stores. Spot on!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:03:00 GMT -7
I'm sorry but that e-tuner thing looks so incredibly cheap, so crappy. crappy stamped metal and LED's.
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on Sept 11, 2014 17:12:11 GMT -7
I'm sorry but that e-tuner thing looks so incredibly cheap, so crappy. crappy stamped metal and LED's. yes. agreed. and i don't like that brass zero fret nut either. Glad i have my R8 and 2002 lp Classic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:13:27 GMT -7
I'm sorry but that e-tuner thing looks so incredibly cheap, so crappy. crappy stamped metal and LED's. yes. agreed. and i don't like that brass zero fret nut either. Glad i have my R8 and 2002 lp Classic. I forgot about the zero fret! Oh HENRY!!!!
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Post by mcook217 on Sept 11, 2014 17:48:03 GMT -7
eventually they're only going to be in business to give free guitars to endorsed artists because no one will be able to afford what they're supposedly trying to sell.
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Post by mickey on Sept 12, 2014 0:30:12 GMT -7
I really don't like the e tuner idea at all. So when are we going to get that technology on acoustic guitars, classical guitars, violins, cellos....it's a musical instrument, to be at one with it you at least need to be able to tune it. Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't get it at all.
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Post by zed on Sept 12, 2014 1:56:58 GMT -7
Neck dive is now standard on all models!
I'll just keep getting my LPs from Japan.
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Post by Christopher on Sept 12, 2014 3:43:39 GMT -7
Perhaps they want us to all run out and buy the remaining guitars at market price and then be left with only the worst choices of unaffordable instruments they produce. I guess when you sell them that high you can make things like the firebird x. You can invest in marketing for such a nonsensical POS that it doesn't matter if it's a loss on your return b/c you still have the name and the merchandising to pull monies from. Like many of you I'm out with regards to buying anymore of their instruments b/c the tag, even on SALE, is too steep to justify given the shoddy workmanship, QC and features I didn't ask for nor want on an instrument. If it ain't broke don't fix it. WTF Henry? Cheers to owning two pre-MT Gibsons.
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Post by Baconator on Sept 12, 2014 5:14:56 GMT -7
I'd actually be happy to have an automatic tuning system on a guitar since I regularly have two or three tunings to cycle through on gigs and if I could have one guitar that I could use for all three without having the singer kill time for me that would be great. I don't really care what it looks like since I never really look at the back of the headstock, but then you would expect it to look somewhat decent on a $3800 guitar. I know from my recent shopping experiences that there are PLENTY of amazing options in that price range and I don't know if a basic Les Paul Standard can compete at that price range. I was kinda floored when they upped the prices last year and that was a relatively minor increase. I do know that I definitely will not be buying a new Gibson Les Paul in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Stan on Sept 12, 2014 5:56:07 GMT -7
I want to know who does Gibson think will be buying their $4k offerings. Who are these people?
or is their thinking, now with our tuning system you only need 1 vs multiple for your gigs,
I find the thought of just 1 guitar boring and no fun at all.
I like going/watching a show and then the "guitar hand off" happens,
I find those moments of what's next intriguing, like something special or better is about to happen...............
whereas Gibson wants you to press a button that most wonn't even know a change has happened.
boring Gibson
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Post by smolder on Sept 12, 2014 6:15:11 GMT -7
Last year there was an incredible fire sale in late November. I wonder if this is a pre-emotive strike to keep those prices higher? I don't think it will work. It's not as if I "need" a new Gibson and will just suck it up for an extra 20-30%.
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Post by JSA61 on Sept 12, 2014 6:34:22 GMT -7
I've been thinking about selling my '13 LP standard to help fund a new Z(Therapy or Wreck Combo?). As far as hummbucker guitars, I prefer the tone of my PRS SE Semi-Hollow, not to mention it's a lot lighter. I guess I'll wait to see what the used market does as a result of this price increase.
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Post by detuned on Sept 12, 2014 6:55:54 GMT -7
OTOH, they're not raising prices because business is slow... Someone's buying these guitars! (Not me, BTW, can't afford a $3,000 "play it sometimes" guitar)
Don't get me wrong, I think it stinks, but I guess you price to what you think the market will bear.
I bet PRS is going to sell a LOT of S2s next year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 7:11:44 GMT -7
As I predicted. The Boomers and a few Gen-X stragglers make up the entirety, pretty much, of the high end guitar consumer demographic. Once the last of the boomers have retired in ten years and go on fixed incomes, the market will implode--young people mostly aren't interested in and can't afford trophy guitars, and old people who want them will either already have them, or won't have the discretionary income to buy them. Rock 'n roll isn't dead, yet--but it's nearing retirement age. So Gibson and Fender to a slightly lesser degree are hoping to make hay while the sun shines. Can't blame them too much for knowing their own market demographics. What doesn't make sense, though, is a big price increase without offering significant added value--nicer tops, say, or better pickups, lighter bodies, whatever--features players care about. Instead, Gibson's offering features no one cares about at premium prices, and that's likely to alienate knowledgeable consumers. I certainly wouldn't pay that kind of dinero for an LP Standard--especially one that was tinselled up with self-tuners and zero frets, etc. Hell, I drew the line at the whole plug-in pickups w/chip thing a few years ago--and the big price increase that came with it.
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Post by Jefferson on Sept 12, 2014 7:25:22 GMT -7
I belive that people like Bill Collings, Don Grosh, etc. are just smiling a bigger smile...
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Post by BritInvasion on Sept 12, 2014 8:56:38 GMT -7
Just another fiasco in Gibsons long history of brilliant marketing ideas that started in the mid- 70's. I really miss Ted McCarty.
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Post by kustom250 on Sept 12, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -7
I belive that people like Bill Collings, Don Grosh, etc. are just smiling a bigger smile... I don't know. Maybe. I like those guitars and all. Heck I LOVE old Hamers. And the Collings I've tried were second to none. But they're not Les Pauls. There's still a shallow part of me that wants a GIBSON Les Paul. Of course now it's gonna have to be a used one and Gibson won't be getting any of my money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 9:32:31 GMT -7
I belive that people like Bill Collings, Don Grosh, etc. are just smiling a bigger smile... I don't know. Maybe. I like those guitars and all. Heck I LOVE old Hamers. And the Collings I've tried were second to none. But they're not Les Pauls. There's still a shallow part of me that wants a GIBSON Les Paul. Of course now it's gonna have to be a used one and Gibson won't be getting any of my money. I'd love to have a nice chambered R7 Goldtop--but I won't be paying $5k or whatever for a new one. Jefferson makes a good point--if it wasn't for Gibson's crazy pricing and iffy QC, there might not be a niche for the PRS's and Collingses of the world (I was around and in the industry when Paul Reed Smith was just starting out, but that's another story). Gibson taught people that set-neck guitars should be expensive--and they left room at their price point for competitors to come in with an arguably better product.
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Post by kustom250 on Sept 12, 2014 9:40:07 GMT -7
I'd love to have a nice chambered R7 Goldtop--but I won't be paying $5k or whatever for a new one. The nice thing is once they hit the used market they're usually pretty reasonable. I've been looking for the right '56 GT for a while. They often show up for 50% of the new price. I wonder if Gibson is also making room for the Epiphones by pricing so many people out of the market for a Gibson ?
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