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Jul 6, 2014 19:38:37 GMT -7
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Post by suits on Jul 6, 2014 19:38:37 GMT -7
So I've had my Z Wreck for about 2 weeks now. Amazing amp. I honestly was expecting it to be louder though lol. I feel like it's less loud than my Maz 18 NR. Probably since it has less headroom than the Maz.
Anyway. Never though I would go from an 18 watt to a 30 watt and not need to wear ear protection as much. Lol
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Post by markT on Jul 6, 2014 20:14:58 GMT -7
suits...the mighty Z Wreck, with stock tubes, should not have less headroom than a Maz Jr NR. Either your power tubes are some weaker version, they are worn out, or you have a problem. What speaker are you playing through?
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Jul 6, 2014 21:05:26 GMT -7
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Post by mattp on Jul 6, 2014 21:05:26 GMT -7
I have the combo, and I am finding the same phenomena--it's not really that "loud". At 10:30 on the volume, it's just a musical volume, but it's no overpowering at all. I'm not sure if it's the combo, but the other guitarist in my band has a Jackson 18 W head/cab, and that thing is at a whisper and it louder. Whatever-I just am psyched there is not a bad sound AT ALL in this thing, loud, quiet, attenuated or tamed. Just the best amp...so good...
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Jul 6, 2014 22:01:04 GMT -7
Post by muZician on Jul 6, 2014 22:01:04 GMT -7
I have the head/cab and it's really loud. more headroom than a MAZ18 (which I played in comparison in the local store the day I bought the Zwreck). even clean at 10 with my Tele...it's freakin loud
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Jul 7, 2014 6:39:52 GMT -7
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Post by suits on Jul 7, 2014 6:39:52 GMT -7
suits...the mighty Z Wreck, with stock tubes, should not have less headroom than a Maz Jr NR. Either your power tubes are some weaker version, they are worn out, or you have a problem. What speaker are you playing through? I'm using a 2x12 with a vintage celestion blue. And a weber silver bell. I have the volume at 11:30 for my tele, 1 for my JM with J90's and 1:30-2 with my gretsch. Judging by the demo video's I'm right where I should be as far as when it breaks up. Was just an observation. I think the lack of master volume has something to do with it's break up compared to the Maz. If you turned up the master more, and the volume down you would get a lot lf power tube distortion. But finding the balance that sound good seems like it was a lot louder to me.
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Jul 7, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -7
Post by smolder on Jul 7, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -7
This is encouraging. I barely get my Z28 or Ghia rev'd up so the two things that hold me back on a wreck are loudness and cost. If it's a bright enough amp, I'm wondering if greenback or similarly inefficient speakers would work... though I'm thinking a pair of gold 10's are the real way to go for tone.
I don't suppose it's possible to pull to of the EL84's like I do with my fender twin reverb?
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Jul 7, 2014 8:22:47 GMT -7
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Post by suits on Jul 7, 2014 8:22:47 GMT -7
This is encouraging. I barely get my Z28 or Ghia rev'd up so the two things that hold me back on a wreck are loudness and cost. If it's a bright enough amp, I'm wondering if greenback or similarly inefficient speakers would work... though I'm thinking a pair of gold 10's are the real way to go for tone. I don't suppose it's possible to pull to of the EL84's like I do with my fender twin reverb? I don't think so, I think it needs them all. And YMMV. I just plugged it into my 1x12 with a vintage blue alnico, same as the one in my 2x12. And it was definitely manageable for me. Don't get me wrong it's loud. But it's not make my ears bleed loud. It is a thing that's subjective I can only compare it to my Maz
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Jul 7, 2014 9:31:50 GMT -7
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Post by mattp on Jul 7, 2014 9:31:50 GMT -7
I don't suppose it's possible to pull to of the EL84's like I do with my fender twin reverb? Read more: ztalk.proboards.com/thread/63167/volume#ixzz36ni7wx6VI'd be afraid to ruin the mojo...haha...I don't feel the amp is too bright--the it control is very responsive, making even my brightest guitars sound balanced. There's just something unique about the amp that is absent from any tone that is too harsh. Well, if you cranked the treble, maybe. I would like to try it my Weber DT-12, but again, I don't want to ruin the mojo. The amp set b/t 9-10:30 still sounds full and musical.
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Jul 7, 2014 10:16:29 GMT -7
Post by markT on Jul 7, 2014 10:16:29 GMT -7
I honestly was expecting it to be louder though lol. I feel like it's less loud than my Maz 18 NR. Probably since it has less headroom than the Maz Jr. Like others have said, volume can be relative. The Z Wreck is a 30 watt amp so it's not gonna be ear shattering like a 100 watt Marshall, but under normal circumstances, it should have more headroom than a Maz Jr. Your amp started it's life as my amp...lol...I know....or knew that amp well. I also know that Joel ran EL884's in it at one time, which have less headroom. i know have a combo and yes, the combo is not as loud or punchy as the Z Wreck stack, but still has a great deal more headroom than my Maz Jr combo.....just my thoughts. It is smoother though.... Enjoy!
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Post by suits on Jul 7, 2014 10:24:54 GMT -7
I honestly was expecting it to be louder though lol. I feel like it's less loud than my Maz 18 NR. Probably since it has less headroom than the Maz Jr. Like others have said, volume can be relative. The Z Wreck is a 30 watt amp so it's not gonna be ear shattering like a 100 watt Marshall, but under normal circumstances, it should have more headroom than a Maz Jr. Your amp started it's life as my amp...lol...I know....or knew that amp well. I also know that Joel ran EL884's in it at one time, which have less headroom. i know have a combo and yes, the combo is not as loud or punchy as the Z Wreck stack, but still has a great deal more headroom than my Maz Jr combo.....just my thoughts. It is smoother though.... Enjoy! Yeah, like I said in a later post I think I'm right where it appears to be in the demo's. I'll maybe change the tubes out when I get the new ones in to see. But it's an amazing sounding amp no doubt. Plently loud enough. But I just find myself not running it as loud as my Maz to get the overdrive I want. It may have more headroom and I can just get to the sweet spot earlier, it's also a 1 volume vs a volume + MV. So it makes a difference as to how you run the 2 vs 1 volume knob.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -7
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Post by telejas on Jul 7, 2014 17:15:35 GMT -7
I find I can play without an attenuator more places and still hit the sweet spot (I play on the comfort setting). It does seem to break up much sooner than my StangRay did.. My StangRay was rattling the windows on 3, and still had some clean room left. The Z-Wreck starts getting dirty at a softer volume... This is actually perfect for me though.
I think the design is not really to be a high volume clean amp.. It is designed with the Train wreck in mind, which is usually associated with dirty tones and low clean headroom.
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Post by Maddog on Jul 7, 2014 17:37:15 GMT -7
The Z-Wreck has such an incredibly musical tone (blooming, colorful, midrange breakup), it's actual volume can be very loud, but it just doesn't register as LOUD. I've noticed volume sensitive clubs allowing me to play the Wreck fairly cranked where other amps would have been getting the "stink-eye" from the owner. These lesser amps become harsh, abrasive, or painful at volume levels where the Z-Wreck just sings.....Especially with Celestion Golds!!!
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Post by suits on Jul 8, 2014 12:19:19 GMT -7
Maybe it's just so awesome it doesn't seem loud lol.
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Post by gotmojo on Jul 11, 2014 4:32:23 GMT -7
I think that's the key - this amp sounds so good and is so musical and the tone is so kind on the ears that it doesn't seem to be as loud as it is. One of the reasons it cuts through so nicely. Be interesting to put a meter on it: perceived volume vs real dab measurements. An interesting thought, I'll try to do that this weekend and get back to yous guys.
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Post by gotmojo on Jul 18, 2014 8:42:01 GMT -7
I actually got around to using a dB meter to look at these amps levels. Set up Rem, stangRay, wreck, and my old Tweed Twin to sound about the same volume to me with a Tele. The results? They were all about the same dB level. So, the wreck was not like significantly louder at a given perceived loudness level. Scientific study? I think not. Whatever.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Jul 18, 2014 9:26:59 GMT -7
Roscoe Vs. Don. Roscoe= Z Wreck Don- Remedy Check out the solos just after the 1:00 mark and tell me who's louder
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Post by randalp3000 on Jul 18, 2014 9:52:52 GMT -7
suits...the mighty Z Wreck, with stock tubes, should not have less headroom than a Maz Jr NR. Either your power tubes are some weaker version, they are worn out, or you have a problem. What speaker are you playing through? I'm using a 2x12 with a vintage celestion blue. And a weber silver bell. I have the volume at 11:30 for my tele, 1 for my JM with J90's and 1:30-2 with my gretsch. Judging by the demo video's I'm right where I should be as far as when it breaks up. Was just an observation. I think the lack of master volume has something to do with it's break up compared to the Maz. If you turned up the master more, and the volume down you would get a lot lf power tube distortion. But finding the balance that sound good seems like it was a lot louder to me. I can't speak for the vintage blue but I've found the weber silver to be very inefficient. I had a Z cab loaded with a weber silver and blue, I A/B it with my stock zwreck cab and the volume difference was frightening.
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Jul 18, 2014 9:59:55 GMT -7
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Post by suits on Jul 18, 2014 9:59:55 GMT -7
Well the vintage speakers aren't the most efficient either so it balances out well
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Post by KeithA on Jul 25, 2014 6:00:20 GMT -7
I have the head/cab and it's really loud. more headroom than a MAZ18 (which I played in comparison in the local store the day I bought the Zwreck). even clean at 10 with my Tele...it's freakin loud I agree. I love mine at about 10:00 to 10:30, but after the kids go to bed its too loud for me to play at that level in the Man Cave. Looks like that's not a problem anymore with my new toy/tool that arrived a couple days ago, though I have an Airbrake too, but the Ironman is really neat. Certainly not cheap, but I have a bunch of amps that need to be reined in, so easier for me to justify.
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Jul 28, 2014 9:58:17 GMT -7
Post by zigzagman on Jul 28, 2014 9:58:17 GMT -7
I don't find the Wreck to be too loud at all. Volume wise it's perfect for me. So much so that I used my Brake Lite SA attenuator only a couple of times with it when I first got the amp, then put it on the shelf here in the studio. My Wreck stays at 11 o'clock on the volume, which works for everything I play. And for most of our gigs, which are 75-100 occupancy +/-, the volume is perfect un-mic'd.
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