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Post by cementman on Apr 22, 2007 0:23:55 GMT -7
i think it is right to do this,, i jumped the gun on the celestion gold and the ghia,, at low volumes they go together, not so, cranked up,, BUT, i have a 97 RX (non EX strength),, for the clean stuff i play with some hair on it, i dont need a 2/12 cab,, there is more weight/depth and balls on this setup than any i have had,, just a 1/12 cab , low volumes has a whole lot of girth, sound spread, the whole nine yards, bass treble middle you name it,, it brings this amp alive,, i guess others have compared the original RX to a great twin reverb,, but i have had all the z amps except the 88 and the stangray, et al, some twice,, and the original RX does it for me,, tried all spkr combos, webers, g12h30s and v30s, michigans, private jacks, 4/10 z spkrs (not with the RX rats,) and have a z 2/10 cab,, but for overall satisfaction the gold by itself with an RX ,, well you wont be dissapointed,,, i know they are shippping the RxES with a gold and a stangray with a gold, so that should tell you sumpin right there,, a high dollar spkr, but it gives up the goods.,,,
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 22, 2007 5:49:44 GMT -7
Yep! I love the sound of the RXES through the Gold. I been working on my gig setup here and it's going to be two Golds - one driven by the Stingray and one driven by the RXES. I think this is going to rock my world on the live stage.
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Post by cementman on Apr 22, 2007 8:12:21 GMT -7
wow that would have to be in your face big tone..
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 22, 2007 9:33:08 GMT -7
Do the Golds have cone cry?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 22, 2007 10:57:40 GMT -7
Do the Golds have cone cry? I haven't noticed any but I haven't gigged them yet either. I think I play louder here at home, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say if they do it's minimal.
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Post by Hohn on Apr 22, 2007 13:10:00 GMT -7
Yep! I love the sound of the RXES through the Gold. I been working on my gig setup here and it's going to be two Golds - one driven by the Stingray and one driven by the RXES. I think this is going to rock my world on the live stage. What about your Flexi? Do you still have it? You guys go through gear like Liz Taylor does husbands, so I can't keep track of what each person still has:)
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 22, 2007 13:53:33 GMT -7
Yep! I love the sound of the RXES through the Gold. I been working on my gig setup here and it's going to be two Golds - one driven by the Stingray and one driven by the RXES. I think this is going to rock my world on the live stage. What about your Flexi? Do you still have it? You guys go through gear like Liz Taylor does husbands, so I can't keep track of what each person still has:) Oh yeah! I have TWO Flexi's. I'm thinking I might sell one since I bought it so my main gigging amp didn't have to keep going up and down the stairs to my studio - then immediately bought three more "main gigging amps" so I guess that strategy is out the window...
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 22, 2007 15:04:17 GMT -7
I think if it did cry you would have heard.
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Post by celestion101 on Apr 23, 2007 0:01:02 GMT -7
No they do not have cone cry issues. If they do, than I have not heard about it, nor experienced it when I gig with them (2-4 nights per week, 4 to 5 sets per night). Cone cry (as in the V30) is directly related to the thickness of the cone. The V30 cone is quite thin and therefore it can happen. We have toyed with thicker versions, but then it no longer sounds like a V30 which is still a huge seller, so we cannot up and change it. Instead we offer options...Blue ones, Gold ones...etc.
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 23, 2007 5:35:52 GMT -7
Good! Now I'm interested. I generally stay away from Celestions because of that. I tend to play with a pretty clean tone, some times louder than I should for the gig! When that cry happens it startles me and pulls me out of the moment. I think it would be less noticeable to people that use significant drive for solos.
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Post by celestion101 on Apr 23, 2007 9:03:23 GMT -7
Good! Now I'm interested. I generally stay away from Celestions because of that. I tend to play with a pretty clean tone, some times louder than I should for the gig! When that cry happens it startles me and pulls me out of the moment. I think it would be less noticeable to people that use significant drive for solos. More drive will enhance cone cry for sure. As I said earlier, it's mostly just the V30, but can happen with others (and other brands as well). It will generally happy on the low E anywhere from the 10th to the 13th fret, but can happen elsewhere. Sometimes amps can give off ghost notes that are mistaken for this, but the two do sound different if you know what you're looking for.
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 23, 2007 10:49:56 GMT -7
I definitely know the difference. The worst speaker for cone cry that I've ever heard is a Jensen 15" Field Coil speaker that came in my 1950 Pro. The cone on that speaker is super thin and flexible. I hear it on higher notes. Especially on the range of 12th to 15th fret on the high E string. The G12H30 that came in my Maz 38 did it and so does a Century ndym Celestion. The only amp I like it in is my old Tweed Deluxe. That is one harsh speaker! Lucky me! I've got two of 'em!
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Post by zgrip on Apr 23, 2007 13:30:59 GMT -7
Cementman, What didn't you like about the gold w/ the ghia? I was considering the gold among some other alnicos for my ghia but would be using in a closed back 112.
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Post by cementman on Apr 23, 2007 23:48:53 GMT -7
hey zgrip,, well here is the deal,, at lower volumes on the ghia, it shines, cleans are deep bass and tight clean treble and mids,, but when you crank the ghia up it doesnt have that looseness, if that is the right word, its a bit tight,, dare i say sterile? i may have to do a bit more research on this, but, no maybe i better not say sterile, it just doesnt do it for me that a lower volume speaker does.,, not sure if this gets it across, but i have a princeton reverb II and it is 20 watts, it really shines with a celestion g12h30 or a lower wattage spkr, but i put a weber michigan in there to try it and it was just terrible,, the ghia with the gold just didnt bloom like i wanted it to. i geuss you would have to try it to see if it works for you, the reason i am going to use it, is it is perfect for the RX i have.. even better than the celestion g12h30 and v30 i was using it for. so i got one of those large open back front loaded 1/12 cabs to use with the RX (got it from lopo cabs, and a great product at 128 bucks plus shipping) and will use the ghia with the g12h30 and the v30.. i would really try the gold with the ghia before i bought it, so you can be sure that how you are going to use the ghia matches up with the gold,, if you are going to use an airbrake with the ghia (some do, it sounds great) it might work for you,,
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Post by cementman on Apr 23, 2007 23:50:11 GMT -7
one more thing,, i have a goodsell and richard (goodsell)says his amp just doesnt sound right with an alnico spkr,, and he is right.. they are close sounding amps, but not the same..
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Post by zgrip on Apr 24, 2007 6:12:52 GMT -7
Thanks cementman. I wonder if the gold has a long break in time and will loosen up more over time. Or maybe like the blue, it has to be pushed at close to its wattage limit to get the speaker break up. My v30 seems to continue to break in and loosen up and I've had it 4 years. Cool to hear you have a Princeton Reverb II. I too have that Paul Rivera gem from 1982, I'm the original owner, my first "real" amp. If I find a good alnico for my ghia, I was going to move the v30 to the PRII.
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Post by cementman on Apr 24, 2007 15:34:27 GMT -7
yeah, i put the v30 in the princeton also and it really opens that amp up..
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Post by aj1169 on May 11, 2007 8:48:15 GMT -7
I agree about the Celestion Gold/RxES setup. I use my RxES with a 1x12 open back Z cab loaded with a Gold. It's by far the best tone I've ever had. It actually has made me slow down on playing my StangRay. I'm getting just as good of clean tone, all though it is a different clean, with the RxES, and then I can hit the OD and get the best classic rock crunch I've ever had. Extremely detailed and articulate. This has become my #1 setup.
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Post by dock66 on May 11, 2007 18:37:22 GMT -7
C-Gold sounds good with all Z amps that I have tried,with one exception ....StingRay and 2x12 Blues just kills.
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