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Post by Lefty on Mar 10, 2007 16:07:49 GMT -7
Seeing as some of you guys are stuck on the "old style" of Z 1x12 cab that Doc doesn't make anymore, I found this one. And he has a wide variety of tolex/grill cloth to match your Z. And Jeff (the maker) seems like a great guy, very quick on the return email and answers. And just so you guys know the "official" answer is that it's cheaper/easier for the Doc to make one size cab with different baffles. The 2x10 and the 1x12 are the same cab with different baffle. Now ya'll can quit buggin the Doc ;D J/K. www.jdesigncabs.com/
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Post by Mitch on Mar 10, 2007 16:26:19 GMT -7
Just got one of these and put a weber blue ceramic in it. Sounds GREAT ! Nice cab and construction.
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Post by jbro on Mar 10, 2007 16:48:48 GMT -7
I had one I used with my mazerati combo.. great crafstmanship and killer sound! Sold it to a fellow forum member, but I've since ordered a custom (bigger/closed back) cab from Jeff to go with my new Mazerati head - I highly recommend his stuff!
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Post by Lefty on Mar 10, 2007 16:59:21 GMT -7
I want to get one for use with my Ghia soon to be head, just to mix it up a little.
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Post by Mitch on Mar 10, 2007 17:00:11 GMT -7
This cab w/ the weber blue / ghia is KILLER ! You're gonna love it.
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Post by Lefty on Mar 10, 2007 17:18:20 GMT -7
Alnico or Ceramic? Actually I have an old Mojo version of a V30 I was planning on using, and it won't cost me anything...yet.
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Post by Mitch on Mar 10, 2007 17:32:51 GMT -7
Ceramic. With the new DeTemple pickups in my CS Strat, it's just a great combo. The MAZ Jr sounds great with this cab / speaker too...but hey, it's all relative and subjective .....right ? Who was it that said "tone is in the fingers, boy !" ? (a few pedals, heads, cabs don't hurt none though eh ?) ;D
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Post by Lefty on Mar 10, 2007 18:19:50 GMT -7
I had a ceramic blue dog in my DR, and frankly I didn't care for it. Granted it was a Fender amp but it robbed all the top end chime from the DR.
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Post by Mitch on Mar 10, 2007 18:41:39 GMT -7
Are you kidding ? Man, I've got chime galore ! Maybe it's these new DeTemples, but I doubt it. The Tele sounds just as great. But as I said, we got different fingers and ears. To the point of the thread though, the JDesign cab IS a great cab... period ! Put in your flavor of 12 and it'll take it just fine I think.
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Post by skydog958 on Mar 10, 2007 22:29:25 GMT -7
Still waiting to try out my Detemple pups...
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Post by m1911 on Mar 11, 2007 5:56:06 GMT -7
Hmmm? Not sure sure why anyone is "stuck" on the older square 1x12 vs. the rectangular 2x10/1x12 size? I bought a couple of the older 1x12's and also 2x10 Cab a few years ago. I would have NO problem at all with a rectangular 1x12....a tad easier to carry, and the Head fits nicely on it too. Mark img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/m1911/MAZ18-2x101x12-2.jpg
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Post by jwr on Mar 11, 2007 11:42:20 GMT -7
Thank's Lefty, I've been cruising his web site for a hour now. Lot's of options and nice prices too.
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Post by JChance on Mar 11, 2007 12:01:39 GMT -7
I have no experience with the old style square Z cab, but the shorty rectangle one I just got is KILLER. The lense technology helps, but it sounds a LOT bigger than it looks. I stuck an Emi Private Jack in it yesterday (to replace the Tonker that was in there) and did a gig with a LOUD band last night. That little cab is nothing to be ashamed of, despite it's small stature. Amazingly portable, too...
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Post by Lefty on Mar 11, 2007 12:10:13 GMT -7
I don't think he uses Lensing with the 12's. Stick a flash light up to the grill cloth and see.
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Post by JChance on Mar 11, 2007 13:33:52 GMT -7
Yeah, he said it did. Looks like it to me... Which is probably what makes up for the short dimensions of the cab...
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Post by Stratmeister on Mar 14, 2007 13:22:32 GMT -7
What is "lensing" or "lense technology"?
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Post by Lefty on Mar 14, 2007 13:47:41 GMT -7
It is basically a secondary baffle that goes in front of the original baffle that the speaker is mounted to. Let's say you have a 10" speaker that's mounted to a baffle with a 10" cut out. The baffle that is in front of it would be cut out with a slightly larger diameter 1"-2". Giving the speaker a wider dispersement of sound and direction, thus giving the over all sound of the cab a bigger sound. It's used a lot in PA cabs.
From the TQ interview...
There’s also another design we do that’s interesting. Going back to the Eagles tour, I noticed something that was being done by Clair Brothers Sound, which is one of the biggest companies that builds sound systems for the big tours. One day I was looking into their side-fill cabs and I noticed that the speaker was recessed a couple of inches behind the baffle. So I get a flashlight, and I’m looking at these cabs and one of the guys from Clair Brothers says, “Hey Man, whaddya doin? Get away from that nuts!” It turned out that this guy was one of their engineers, we started talking, and he explained what they were doing with what was known as a tone ring in the Fender days. Well, they do the same thing with what they call lens technology. I now make a lens that consists of two ¾ inch thick sections of plywood that the speaker is mounted behind, and what that does is enable you to dial in the projection of the cabinet by the depth of the lens. It makes those 2x10’s in the MAZ Jr. sound like 2x12’s because essentially I’m adding an inch and a half to the cone diameter. You know how 2x10 amps sound really nice when you’re a guitar cord length away from them, but get 20 feet away, and they begin to sound a little tiny? The lens technology gives them a much bigger sound. It’s a little like the old horn technology where they calculated different throw lengths for those horns.
This lens technology is used only with your open-back cabinets?
Yeah—the closed-back cabinets don’t need to be any louder.
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Post by dock66 on Mar 14, 2007 13:56:03 GMT -7
I recently bought 1x12 cab Z "old style" ,this thing is great with a single C-Gold in there and easy to transport.
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Post by dock66 on Mar 14, 2007 14:03:51 GMT -7
Does that mean 1x12 Z cab "old style" with open back all have lens technology in them?
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Post by Curt on Mar 14, 2007 17:40:15 GMT -7
Pretty sure it's just the newer rectangle style.
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Post by JChance on Mar 14, 2007 17:45:47 GMT -7
Actually, I thought Z has been doing this for a while(?) To check, just take a flashlight and look through the grill. If the speaker looks like it is recessed an inch or so behind the baffle, then it's the lens technology. That Tone Quest interview is from 2000....So chances are if your cabinet was made in the last seven years, it would use the lens.
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Post by dock66 on Mar 15, 2007 7:03:41 GMT -7
Thanks Guys.
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Post by Stratmeister on Mar 15, 2007 8:19:14 GMT -7
Oh cool. I can relate to the tone ring idea that was used on some older Fenders, now I get it. I have a new 1x12 being built, can't wait to try out the lensing vs. other brand 1x12's I have now. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by bluzsteel on Mar 20, 2007 7:20:58 GMT -7
I heard from a pretty reliable source this weekend there is the possibility of a cab that would mirror the size of the current 112 combo size. " so we don't have to bend over to find our knobs"....... sweet
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Post by Curt on Mar 21, 2007 15:00:09 GMT -7
I heard from a pretty reliable source this weekend there is the possibility of a cab that would mirror the size of the current 112 combo size. " so we don't have to bend over to find our knobs"....... sweet I think I know a lil birdy behind that thought (check the "extension" cab)
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Post by Lefty on Mar 21, 2007 16:55:41 GMT -7
Sure you were
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Post by dongiesen on Mar 21, 2007 17:37:17 GMT -7
I just had my Maz 210 combo cab apart last weekend to repalce the grill cloth (2004 model) the inner piece of 3/4 and the outer removable piece of 3/4 with the grill cloth on it were the same size cut out. Must be something fairly new? When did this Z lens feature go into production?
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Post by Curt on Mar 21, 2007 18:26:13 GMT -7
Sure you were Actually................... I'd be in good shape in a court of law
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Post by Lefty on Mar 21, 2007 19:55:54 GMT -7
Law? Where's the law Drew?
This here road don't go to Antry...
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 22, 2007 7:47:15 GMT -7
The fender tone ring cab was something different. It lets the bass come around the ends of the baffle that the speaker is mounted on and then it comes out and mixes with the sound coming off of the front of the speaker and then it all comes out the larger hole in the second baffle that's on the front of the speaker cabinet. Since there is a gap between the two baffles I don't think the lensing is as effective. I think Leo was trying to get more bass out of one speaker. Theile alignments weren't researched and documented yet. There were lots of unusual cabinet designs back in the 1950s from the hi-fi speaker designers. I think the tone ring cab was one of those.
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