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Post by John on Dec 4, 2006 7:46:39 GMT -7
I have a Vintage 30 in a 1x12 closed back cabinet. The speaker hasn't had much of an ability to be broken in. Mostly low volume basement stuff. Just above loud talking level. Sometimes at yelling level.
I think the speaker lacks highs. Will this change when it's broken in?
Or put another way, what will change when a speaker's broken in?
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 4, 2006 9:51:38 GMT -7
A V-30 lacking highs? That doesn't sound right. usually as a speaker breaks in you get stronger lows as the cone softens making the highs seem lower in level.
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Post by mudskipper on Dec 4, 2006 12:05:07 GMT -7
V30s and "lacking highs" are like oxymoron. with all things being equal, V30 has a good amount of high-mids and most find it lacking in the low mids and bass, *especially* at low volumes. they do mellow out after being pounded on for a year or 2, though. i still like them for high volume stuff.
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 4, 2006 14:13:08 GMT -7
I think they can emphasize the "squeak" of a Strat. Not a bad thing but they do color the sound more than most speakers.
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Post by foxx on Dec 4, 2006 14:22:45 GMT -7
I have a Mazerati 1X12 combo with a V30. I thought that it was dark. I switched guitars and pick-ups and it was still dark. Then I switched my cables and cut out some pedals. Then I heard the veil of darkness lift, and I have had good highs ever since.
Also, what amp are you talking about? I have to get the Rati up to at least 8:00 on the volume or it's all highs. And, it also took me a year or more to hear that speaker break in. It's a nice change, like mudskipper said, more mellow, softer, and maybe less volume. That is a good thing for my amp, cause it was, and still is, too loud for home.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2006 18:09:50 GMT -7
Well it's probably the Route 66...SO much mids. And I'm using a Weber Mass 100 attenuator. And I'm attenuating a LOT. 3:00 on all three dials on the 66, so I'm really cranking it. However, the sound coming out of the speaker is just at about yelling level....very attenuated amp. I don't have the ability to crank it up for comparisons, and I know the human ear hears things differently at different levels...but it seems like they're not enough highs.
However the Weber has a treble boost switch. And I tried it for the first time and PRESTO! There's the highs. I'm REALLY hoping when I crank it for a gig, I can turn the treble boost off. I'm really against using an attenuator to eq, but in this case I have to at really low volumes. I hope when I crank for a gig, I turn the treble boost off, and the highs will still be there.
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Post by mudskipper on Dec 6, 2006 7:14:44 GMT -7
oh, that makes sense now.
if you have your MASS set to high attenuation levels, you do lose some highs and add certain kind of "compression". but most attenuators do that. the treble boost certaily helps get the highs back but the compression is still there. Ted now has an attenuator that's called MASS Lite that attenuates highs and lows separately (https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/masslite.htm). i'd like to try that sometime.
you'll get your highs back naturally once the level control of MASS is above about 2:00 on the dial. or you can just use it as a load and plug it in parallel with the speaker(s) for about -3dB attenuation.
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