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Post by Jason Cornelius on Aug 28, 2006 19:44:27 GMT -7
I've got a '64 Vox AC30 cab that I'm going to run my Carmen Ghia through. Right now I have an Alnico Blue Dog in there and I'm ready to get the next speaker.
Should I get another Alnico Blue Dog or could I go with a Ceramic Blue Dog, or a Silver Bell...or...?
Thanks in advance! Jason
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Aug 28, 2006 21:44:40 GMT -7
Do you have the 30 WATT or 50 WATT.... I use the two 30 watt alnico bluedogs together in one cab and it's awesome... I use the Blue silver alnico with the 50 watters in another..really depends on what your going after? with a GHIA I'd run a second 30 watt ALNICO.... probably a blue if you want more of the vox flavor and chime... but if you want a little more full range sound go with a silver bell alnico 30 watter for the second speaker... the two 30 watters should be perfect for the GHIA... with most higher powered amps, if you want a little less speaker breakup and little more clean headroom go with the 50 watters... but really with the GHIA being 18 watts, I think the TWO 30 watters would be ALL you ever need... My ghia sounds other-worldly through a 2x12 cab and especially the cab with the two 30 watt alnico bluedogs... but really you can't go wrong where you seem to be already headed... hope this helps and let us know what you get and how you like it... Jason
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Post by guitarstan on Aug 29, 2006 5:21:56 GMT -7
I agree with Jason 100%, he helped me with my tone quest and I've never looked back. I choose Weber alnico and Tone Tubby ceramic and alnico. A number of forum members say the Weber ceramics are too bright but that would be a matter of taste. If I want bright I use some old vintage Altec Lansings, they are squeaky clean and bright as high noon. I found the alnico Blue Dogs to solve a lot of problems.
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Post by hdahs143 on Aug 29, 2006 8:10:41 GMT -7
I have an open back 2x12 with 1 Weber 30 watt ALNICO Blue Dog, and 1 Celestion G12H30, also 30watts. This works well for me and covers alot of ground. I get the Alnico's compression and chime, and the ceramic Celestion's punch and low end. This works well with my Stingray.
2 Blue Dogs would be cool as well. It all kind of depends on what you are going for tonally!
Good Luck
Harold
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Post by Jason Cornelius on Aug 30, 2006 19:25:04 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies!
I forgot to mention that my Blue Dog is a 15 watter. To be honest, I'm a Brad Paisley wannabe, so that's the tone I'm going after...well, as close as my fingers will get me to it! With that in mind, should my next purchase be an Alnico Silver Bell?
Thanks so much for the replies! Jason
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Post by dock66 on Sept 1, 2006 7:31:15 GMT -7
I believe BP uses Alnico Blue Dog and Alnico Silver Bell 50 watts combo. www.tedweber.comdock66
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Post by mosesblues on Sept 9, 2006 4:34:00 GMT -7
You might consider the alnico Silver Bell.
I've got a 2-12 with the alnico Blue Dog paired with the alnico Silver Bell. It's my go-to cabinet overall for anything but hard rock and metal sounds. Very expressive clean and lo-gain tones.
I've put a ceramic Silver Bell into another 2-12 cabinet with an Eminence speaker and it improved the sound of that cab as well.
I'm a fan of that speaker's voicing.
Hope this is helpful.
Moses
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Post by jcshirke on Sept 30, 2006 18:22:22 GMT -7
I have an open back 2x12 with 1 Weber 30 watt ALNICO Blue Dog, and 1 Celestion G12H30, also 30watts. This works well for me and covers alot of ground. I get the Alnico's compression and chime, and the ceramic Celestion's punch and low end. This works well with my Stingray. Harold How do you think a Weber (or Celestion) Blue and a G12H30 would sound with a Maz 38? If I go for a 2 x 12, I was considering this option for the very same reasons you mention above. Thanks, Jeff
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 30, 2006 19:16:47 GMT -7
I have an open back 2x12 with 1 Weber 30 watt ALNICO Blue Dog, and 1 Celestion G12H30, also 30watts. This works well for me and covers alot of ground. I get the Alnico's compression and chime, and the ceramic Celestion's punch and low end. This works well with my Stingray. Harold How do you think a Weber (or Celestion) Blue and a G12H30 would sound with a Maz 38? If I go for a 2 x 12, I was considering this option for the very same reasons you mention above. Thanks, Jeff Jeff, The Celestion Blue is only 15 watts as I am sure you already know. If you wire a 30 or 50 watt speaker in series or parallel with a 15 watt speaker the amp see's only 15 X 2 or 30 watts total. The Maz 38 Sr is rated at 38 but is really more like 50 watts. So, it would be a lot to risk if your speaker load were only 30 while pushing with 50 watts. However if you combine two 30 watt speakers together the amp would see a load of 60 watts which should be just fine. Hope that helps.
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Post by jcshirke on Sept 30, 2006 19:50:25 GMT -7
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Jeff, The Celestion Blue is only 15 watts as I am sure you already know. If you wire a 30 or 50 watt speaker in series or parallel with a 15 watt speaker the amp see's only 15 X 2 or 30 watts total. The Maz 38 Sr is rated at 38 but is really more like 50 watts. So, it would be a lot to risk if your speaker load were only 30 while pushing with 50 watts. However if you combine two 30 watt speakers together the amp would see a load of 60 watts which should be just fine.
Hope that helps. [/quote]
Actually, I wasn't aware that the Celestion was rated at 15 w, even though I have two of them in my AC30. I guess I should check these things, huh? Thanks for the heads up.
So, if I wanted to pair the G12H30 with an alnico speaker, I should choose one that is rated at 30 watts also? Is the Weber Silver Bell 30w? Tone Tubby?
Also--The Maz 38 1 x 12 combo I played had one G12H30 in it, so how is it able to handle the Maz's (near) 50 watts of power?
I guess I need to learn a bit more about how speakers are wired and what loads they can handle. Any pointers on where to go for that kind of basic info?
Jeff
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Post by hdahs143 on Sept 30, 2006 22:12:08 GMT -7
www.webervst.com/sptalk.htmlThe above link will answer just about any question you could have about speakers. And yes the Weber Alnico Blue Dog 30W/Celestion G12H30 speaker setup would work great with the MAZ 38. It makes for a 60 watt Cab, and would easily handle the MAZ. Most importantly it would sound great! I had a MAZ 38 head with the ZBest 2x12 loaded with the G12H30/Vintage 30 setup. Loved the G12, hated the V30. Too much upper mid honk. I've since sold both to support my Stingray habit. (Didn't need 2 EL84 Amps.) But had I kept the ZBest, the Vintage 30, would been replaced by the Weber. In regards to the Celestion Blue, I had 2 in my current cab, and have sold both. They weren't my cup of tea. Great chime, but a bit edgy. The Weber Alnico Blue does the chime thing as well as the Celestion, but to my ear is smoother, stronger, and a little thicker. I love this speaker. Hope this helps! Harold
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Post by guitarstan on Oct 1, 2006 11:49:21 GMT -7
Jeff, The Celestion Blue is only 15 watts as I am sure you already know. If you wire a 30 or 50 watt speaker in series or parallel with a 15 watt speaker the amp see's only 15 X 2 or 30 watts total. The Maz 38 Sr is rated at 38 but is really more like 50 watts. So, it would be a lot to risk if your speaker load were only 30 while pushing with 50 watts. However if you combine two 30 watt speakers together the amp would see a load of 60 watts which should be just fine. Hope that helps. [/quote] Actually, I wasn't aware that the Celestion was rated at 15 w, even though I have two of them in my AC30. I guess I should check these things, huh? Thanks for the heads up. So, if I wanted to pair the G12H30 with an alnico speaker, I should choose one that is rated at 30 watts also? Is the Weber Silver Bell 30w? Tone Tubby? Also--The Maz 38 1 x 12 combo I played had one G12H30 in it, so how is it able to handle the Maz's (near) 50 watts of power? I guess I need to learn a bit more about how speakers are wired and what loads they can handle. Any pointers on where to go for that kind of basic info? Jeff[/quote] Good suggestion from hdahs143, visit both the Weber and Tone Tubby web sites and you can learn alot. Good question about the 30 watt G12H30, how does it handle the 38 to 50 watt Maz Sr? I cannot answer that question except to say that I use my Maz Sr with only one 30 weber all the time at rehearsal and no problem but I am not playing all that loud either. At gigs I use a 40 watt Tone Tubby or two 30 watt webers. I would not be afraid to use only one 30 watt weber if it was a small enough venue such that the amp weren't being pushed hard.
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Post by real.sladdi on Oct 1, 2006 14:02:48 GMT -7
So, if I wanted to pair the G12H30 with an alnico speaker, I should choose one that is rated at 30 watts also? Is the Weber Silver Bell 30w? Tone Tubby? Jeff I'm still in love with my G12H30/ Emi Red Fang cab. Both speakers not only have 30 W, they also have actually the same loudness. For me the perfect match with my MAZ Sr. NR. And the Red Fang is the cheapest great Alnico you can get - VERY close to the Cel. Alnico Blue.
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