BigMike
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Post by BigMike on Jun 4, 2005 10:07:14 GMT -7
Is Z no longer offering the square style 1x12 cabs? Seem to think I saw that. Anyone clarify for me?
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Post by Bill on Jun 5, 2005 10:33:14 GMT -7
Is Z no longer offering the square style 1x12 cabs? Seem to think I saw that. Anyone clarify for me? That's what Z told me. When mine came in a couple of months ago the dealer and I opened the box and pulled the 1x12 out, and both thought he had mistakenly shipped a 2x10. A quick peek in the back revealed a single Vintage 30, just as I had ordered. When I called Z he said he's now building his 1x12 cabs like the 2x10 because many are ordering them to sit under a Z combo to be used as an extension cab. The wider dimensions will accomodate all his combos, so it makes good sense. It sounds fantastic in true Z tradition, but I personally like the 18"x18" +- of the old 1x12 better than the new. The Avatar looks taller and more proportional sitting under either of my Z heads, the tolex is a perfect match, the oxblood is off a bit but still looks great. I'll post a pic of the rig in this thread next week.
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Post by Bill on Jun 6, 2005 4:41:09 GMT -7
Check it out:
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Post by zane on Jun 6, 2005 6:40:11 GMT -7
I don't know, I like the way the Z looks. Nice ,& compact. I'd like to get one for my Ghia. How's the Ghia sound with the one 12? I bought a 2x12 right off ,& never tried it with a 1x12. That's really all I'd ever need....but that Z-Best sure sounds good!
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Post by kaseri on Jun 6, 2005 7:18:28 GMT -7
I use my Ghia with a 1x12. My 1x12 isn't a Z but it does have a V30 in it. Sounds great.
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Post by Bill on Jun 6, 2005 7:51:18 GMT -7
I don't know, I like the way the Z looks. Nice ,& compact. I'd like to get one for my Ghia. How's the Ghia sound with the one 12? I bought a 2x12 right off ,& never tried it with a 1x12. That's really all I'd ever need....but that Z-Best sure sounds good! I had a ZBest for awhile and sold it because it became a pain constantly going up and down stairs, and I eventually realized I usually don't need that much volume. Otherwise it was a killer sounding cabinet. The Ghia & 28 are very quick responding amps as I'm sure you know. When I plug in 2 12's, I can feel a slight delay in response, whereas the single 12 is fast. The closed back V30 can cut through nicely with the 28 so volume hasn't proven to be a problem yet, and I do mic when needed. The Ghia comes up a little short with a full band when using a single 12 simply due to less headroom, but does fine with the 4x10. I haven't had a chance to test the Alnico Blue to see how it sits, but I'm thinking of using it for a particular very small 150 seat club/restaurant we play often.
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Post by m1911 on Jun 8, 2005 15:23:22 GMT -7
Here are both sizes for comparison:
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Post by trisonic on Jun 12, 2005 6:05:36 GMT -7
That's the weirdest looking 1x12 I've seen! How does the total volume (dimension - wise) compare to the older one? Thanks, Pete.
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Post by Bill on Jun 17, 2005 11:28:06 GMT -7
Now that I've had a chance to move some various speakers around to various cabinets, one thing clearly stands out...the low profile cabinet, despite its short stature, really brings out the best in a speaker.
While the Vintage 30 sounds chunky & fat in the small cab, trying it in two others found it much thinner and bordering on harsh as others have so often written about that particular speaker.
Got me thinking about my Maz Jr and how "big" it sounded despite only 2 10" speakers. This cab has the same dimensions as the 2x10 model. Maybe Z is on to something here. I'll have to try and score one of the older square style Z's for a more interesting comparison.
BTW, I stayed up late and stuck the V30 back in "shorty" where it belongs and where it shall remain ;D
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Post by johnthigpen on Jun 17, 2005 14:21:55 GMT -7
I've got one of the older 1x12's with a P12Z that I use with my Carmen Ghia. Does anyone know how much wattage this speaker is rated for?
John
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Post by bluemanmicky on Jul 7, 2005 13:02:10 GMT -7
Great! a place to talk about my favorite amp.. i was also puzzled when i opened the box and saw the size of the cabinet, but it sounds killer..i bought it at Fatsounds with a blond matching used Rt 66 gold face white nobs.. Came with a V-30 i just put an Eminence Wizard in the cab it sounds monsterous!!
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Post by jzguitar on Jul 7, 2005 13:24:46 GMT -7
How does the Wizard compare to the V30? I've still got the V30 in my Mazerati but I'm going to try an Eminence - just not sure which one (thinking of the Tonker). Thanks!
jz
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Post by bluemanmicky on Jul 8, 2005 6:19:35 GMT -7
Jz, I have not A/Bd them but to my ears the Wizard sounds smoother on top end it breaks up pretty nice when pushed its not brittle...I like the idea of trying a Tonker or Tone spotter, for the money you cant go wrong...need more cabs i guess......
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Post by reverbbb on Jul 11, 2005 7:23:15 GMT -7
There is a boutique amp builder in the UK that claims that a larger (oversized) cabinet makes a single 12" speaker sound much better. My friend has one of those amps, and I must say it sounds killer next to my 2x10 Maz Jr.
Now the question is, define larger. Would a single 12" speaker sound better in a pine box the size of a refridgerator? Cabinet makers like JBL know these answers and have done extensive testing and analizing of cabinets. It would be nice if all that test data was published into a boiled down format. Then there is port or non-ported (what size holes); open back or closed; square or rectangled, etc. It gets complicated really fast.
But for the sake of simplicity, it would be nice to see more A/B comparisons of the two Dr. Z 1x12 cabinets, in a semi-controlled test. I like to use my digital recorder for permanent records of the otherwise subjective tests. This past Saturday, I did a test involving GT vs. JJ tubes. I now have some hard evidence to form an opinion on.
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Post by kaseri on Jul 11, 2005 7:29:21 GMT -7
So which tubes did your ears like better?
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Post by reverbbb on Jul 11, 2005 9:58:06 GMT -7
So which tubes did your ears like better? I wasn't going to go into that, but since you asked: This test was performed using a used Fender BassBreaker that I recently purchased. I set all the tones to about 6 (half way). I jumpered both channels and set the Normal channel to 3 with the Bright channel at 3-1/2. This was really loud to be in the same room with, but with my headphones on, I was able to tolerate the loudness. Now the GT were originals tubes with this amp and may have been worn out. So this is not a fair comparison. The JJs were new. I had setup five configurations as follows: Tube | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Rect | JJ | GT | GT | JJ | JJ | P1 | JJ | GT | JJ | JJ | JJ | P2 | JJ | GT | JJ | JJ | JJ | V3 | JJ | GT | GT | GT | GTM | V2 | JJ | GT | GT | GT | GTM | V1 | JJ | GT | GT | GT | GTM |
JJ=JJ GT=Groove Tubes GTM=Groove Tubes-Mullard (barely used) Rect = 5AR4 P1 & P2 = 6L6 V1~3 = 12AX7(various) A big discovery came when I got to configuration 4. The GT rectifier was bad. It was very weak sounding and distorted (very inconsistant volume and sustain). I liked Configuration 5 a lot. The JJ preamps were bigger on the bottom and more clear. The GTM were bigger on the top end and less clear. In the end, I settled with configuration 1 for this particular amp. The GT preamp tubes might have been weak because of their age. But they sounded thinner and less defined than the JJ or GTM. They lacked bottom, complex harmonix and clearness. They weren't bad, they just were not as good as the others I tried. The power tubes did not seem to make any difference to my ears. Mostly the rectifier, followed by modest changes in tone with the preamps. Again, the rectifier must have been bad. I can't imagine there being this much change in dynamics if the tube was good.
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