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Post by blackwidow675 on Nov 30, 2012 20:17:29 GMT -7
Got a chance to play my Remedy out for the first time last night. Killer edge of breakup tones at 1/2 power with a Tele at Hi-Vol 11:30 through a 1x12 closedback with a WGS Invader, but thank goodness for the AirBrake. Even at half-power, I had her braked down pretty hard all night. Most of that was a gig-dependent, but it got me wondering if there had ever been any talk about what would amount to the Remedy Jr., I suppose.
There are 4 6v6s in there now doing just fine at even 1/2 power. What about a 10w/20w version with just 2 6v6s? I know that the volume difference between 10w and 40w or 10w and 20w isn't that much, but would it even be worth the effort for Dr. Z to explore making something like that?
AirBrake or BL get the job done with aplomb, but it'd be nice to not have to worry about that, considering that most of my gigs are not the type to let me open this beast up to roar (and that's all I really want to do). ;D
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Post by Ryan (shorty) on Nov 30, 2012 20:53:14 GMT -7
Sign me up.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 30, 2012 22:18:25 GMT -7
Trouble is it would probably cost almost the same as the full power model. Maybe a bit less... I guess I dream about a Remedy with a single EL34 biased up for about 7 to 10 watts. Now that might be pretty nice.
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Post by John on Dec 1, 2012 4:26:04 GMT -7
You might also want to try a Heritage greenback. (not the reissue) The invader is a 99db. Still a relatively loud speaker. The Heritage greenback is 96 db. That's considerably lower volume. And it will sound great with the Remedy. But you can NEVER run it with the Remedy @ 40 watts. The Heritage greenback is only a 20 watt speaker.
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Post by blackwidow675 on Dec 1, 2012 8:05:38 GMT -7
Yeah... have definitely given some thought to trying a lower db speaker, but I just got the Invader, so I feel compelled to give it a whirl for at least a little while. I really love the sound of the amp on 40w, but I'd have had to dial it down a little further still with that setup. Who am I kidding, though?! Even if I couldn't crank it at the gig, I still take the cuffs off sometime at home so she can open up and sing, and man does she! Heritage Greenback or Creamback is probably next in line.
I wonder why more speaker manufacturers don't realize the market opportunity associated with people trying to get more INefficiency out of their amp rigs? Maybe it's an engineering problem, but I would think there are lots of players who would love to have a less efficient cab. In my experience, anyway (which doesn't include big stages often at all), anything with 15w is plenty to cover gig needs where there's even a small PA. I had an old Pro Jr. that could rattle the walls even with 15w through a 10" speaker.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 1, 2012 8:15:49 GMT -7
I think Doc was playing with a lower powered Remedy at a point in time but it just didn't have the same magic. And Steve is right - there wouldn't be much of a cost savings.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 1, 2012 9:08:00 GMT -7
I think Doc was playing,with a lower powered Remedy at a point in time but it just didn't have the same magic. And Steve is right - there wouldn't be much of a cost savings. I have to say, that is one thing I really appreciate about Dr. Z - if it doesn't sound the way he wants, he doesn't produce it. The giant stable of exceedingly great sounding amps in his lineup testifies to the brilliance of this ethic.
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Post by John on Dec 1, 2012 9:19:58 GMT -7
A creamback is 97db....still two db quieter than the Invader. That's a significant amount.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 3, 2012 3:04:58 GMT -7
Gotta say guys, Power Scaling (or Master Voltage as 65amps calls it) seems to be the way to go here, across the board.
The Doc did it with the Monza to rave reviews; I've done it to my Z28 with superb results. When my Remedy is out of warranty, I'll be doing to her too! Saves having to design and buy a whole new amp - you get to keep the one you love, just at lower volume!
If the Doc could do anything, it would be to offer a retro-upgrade to his amps for this feature alone.
IMHO, YMMV, my .02 etc. etc. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 8:31:04 GMT -7
A creamback is 97db....still two db quieter than the Invader. That's a significant amount. I have been playing my Remedy at 40 watts now with the creamback! No brake lite either! I never use my brake lite at church only at home. I was using the Gold and when I was I had no choice but to stay at 20 watts. John is right about the speaker making a significant amount of change. Trust me when you hear the remedy roar through that creamback you will not regret it. Get a lower efficiency speaker and that way you can open up that remedy and get the most out of it. Last night I had that thing cranked and it was on and poppin. Lovin that creamback. No need for a brake lite either dial it in and use your volume on your guitar to control everything. Thats what I love about the remedy its simple set it and forget it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 8:37:44 GMT -7
Gotta say guys, Power Scaling (or Master Voltage as 65amps calls it) seems to be the way to go here, across the board. The Doc did it with the Monza to rave reviews; I've done it to my Z28 with superb results. When my Remedy is out of warranty, I'll be doing to her too! Saves having to design and buy a whole new amp - you get to keep the one you love, just at lower volume! If the Doc could do anything, it would be to offer a retro-upgrade to his amps for this feature alone. IMHO, YMMV, my .02 etc. etc. ;D Interesting, Pete--who's doing these mods for you?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 3, 2012 9:32:59 GMT -7
When I was in Cleveland last time I spoke with Doc about voltage regulators in amps. His take (as best my non-technical brain can remember) was that they worked best within a certain band. Going above or below that band results in less than optimal tone. As such he is reluctant to use them on Z amps. He mentioned MV mods and less efficient speakers to achieve the same effects with affecting tone.
Pete - I don't recall Doc doing a Monza with power scaling. He has done the MV mod as a retro on early Monzas (I was one of the first) and it is amazing.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 3, 2012 16:09:28 GMT -7
Gotta say guys, Power Scaling (or Master Voltage as 65amps calls it) seems to be the way to go here, across the board. The Doc did it with the Monza to rave reviews; I've done it to my Z28 with superb results. When my Remedy is out of warranty, I'll be doing to her too! Saves having to design and buy a whole new amp - you get to keep the one you love, just at lower volume! If the Doc could do anything, it would be to offer a retro-upgrade to his amps for this feature alone. IMHO, YMMV, my .02 etc. etc. ;D Interesting, Pete--who's doing these mods for you? There's an ex RAF electronics warfare engineer over here makes his own amps, and fits London Power Scaling kits to them as standard. He'll retro fit one to any good tube amp, and did so to my Z28. Works like a dream! Just seems to me I'd rather pay £200 to get my Z28 sounding the way I like it, at a lower volume, rather than buy a whole new amp. Same applies to the Remedy.
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Post by blackwidow675 on Dec 3, 2012 20:16:35 GMT -7
I'm probably getting into territory that's already been addressed elsewhere, now, but thoughts on AirBrake vs. Power Scaling?
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Dec 4, 2012 5:25:20 GMT -7
My experience, having never played without a BL or two, is that PS is WAY more effective and controllable.
I never like the BL at more than 2 clicks, 3 at a push, on my Z28, and certainly never 4. Whereas the PS can wound back to room levels and the tone stays just as lively. Okay, you lose the speaker interaction, but as I never play full whack, I don't think that's ever been part of my tone anyway.
A really good place to ask this would be the Monza section: a from of PS was introduced by the Doc a while back, so you will have guys there who used BL/AB on Mk 1 Monzas and now guys using the master volume version Mk 2. Interesting to hear their thoughts on the differences.
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Post by dgabbear on Jan 21, 2013 20:56:03 GMT -7
Played one today, as I have been wanting something in the Marshall vein, but this amp is really loud. I really didn't feel comfortable turning this thing past 11:00 in the store with the 2x12 Z Best, so couldn't really hear the grind of this thing. I was under the impression this could grind at a reasonable volume. Liked how it sounded. Articulate, loved single coils and fat. Guess I will keep my Maz 18
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Jan 22, 2013 2:11:50 GMT -7
^^^ Nooo, there is nothing low volume about the Remedy! You NEED an Airbrake/Brake Lite to be able to get the grind at anything like reasonable volume. When I gig the Remedy at a typical function (~200 people wedding style stuff) the Rem is on half power setting and the BL is on 2 clicks. Everything set around noon on the dials. I guest in a rock band as well, and that lets me crank the Vs above noon, and set to Full Power, but the BL is still on 2 clicks usually. At rehearsal it's Half Power with the BL is on 4 clicks, and the Vs are back at noon. I don't play the Remedy at home at all - this is a "gigging beast"! ;D No matter how hard it is to tame the volume, I cannot get enough of that TONE! It is SO much more than a Marshall, IMHO ;D
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Post by doctorice on Jan 22, 2013 9:46:14 GMT -7
I think Dr Z has said he's investigating various power scaling circuits for the Antidote. I imagine that f Z gets one to his liking there's a chance it would be offered more widely across the line.
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Post by cpa2guitar on Jan 24, 2013 23:31:20 GMT -7
Got a chance to play my Remedy out for the first time last night. Killer edge of breakup tones at 1/2 power with a Tele at Hi-Vol 11:30 through a 1x12 closedback with a WGS Invader, but thank goodness for the AirBrake. Even at half-power, I had her braked down pretty hard all night. Most of that was a gig-dependent, but it got me wondering if there had ever been any talk about what would amount to the Remedy Jr., I suppose. There are 4 6v6s in there now doing just fine at even 1/2 power. What about a 10w/20w version with just 2 6v6s? I know that the volume difference between 10w and 40w or 10w and 20w isn't that much, but would it even be worth the effort for Dr. Z to explore making something like that? AirBrake or BL get the job done with aplomb, but it'd be nice to not have to worry about that, considering that most of my gigs are not the type to let me open this beast up to roar (and that's all I really want to do). ;D I hear you. I have posted elsewhere on this forum along the same lines as yours. I owned a Remedy and loved it, but I had to sell it because it was just too loud for my purposes, and I was using it with a Brake Lite. One of my good friends bought it, and he loves it, though he concedes he has to wrestle with the volume. If something could be done to tame the volume (e.g., a 10/20 version, or a power scaling version), I would buy one again in a hearbeat, as the tone was that good. In the meantime, I have switched to 65 Amps. Their master voltage works really well and I love the sound of these amps. Even so, I'd still buy another Remedy if the volume issue ever gets sorted out, as the Remedy's tone is awesome and it does a great job of articulating what your hands are doing.
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