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Post by curtisjames on Jul 30, 2012 19:06:24 GMT -7
This thread has probably been addressed somewhere but....My amp came with the two blues.....I was missing a little gold that my StingRay 1x12 has. So, I threw one in. Anyone experiment with this combination in their Ray? I know the Wreck has this awesome configuration. chime in my brothers
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Post by mfirst on Jul 31, 2012 3:56:44 GMT -7
I've tried it. I have a gold and 2 blues at the moment. I've tried lots of combinations. I think my favorite is still 2 blues, but all of the other combinations create some different sounds. When you combine a gold and a blue I think you get the biggest difference in the low end that the gold produces.
You may want to try running them in series and parallel. The Zwreck cab features a gold and a blue in series. Make sure you put the gold in series before the blue. The stangray has a lot of low end on tap, which doesn't become as apparent through 2 blues, but with the gold you will hear more of it.
I've tried running the two blues in series too, like the old Vox speaker configuration. Which really sounds good with the ray, but you have to be careful so that you don't blow the first blue in the speaker signal path.
The speakers will make a much bigger difference that the series/parallal wiring, those are more subtle differences.
Experiment, let us know what you think.
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Post by Ridgeback on Jul 31, 2012 8:06:18 GMT -7
I've tried it but wound up changing back to the Blue + 50 watt ceramic Blue Dog for two reasons:
1) I felt that the ceramic BD filled out (what I consider to be) the weaknesses in the Blue better than the Gold. The cab had better overall balance with the Blue + BD. I tend to favor pairing one alnico and one ceramic in 2x12 cabs.
2) I love the Gold as stand alone speaker in a 1x12 with both the Ray and the Ghia.
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Post by Hohn on Jul 31, 2012 13:22:02 GMT -7
Make sure you put the gold in series before the blue. Please explain why this matters.
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Post by bryan0418 on Jul 31, 2012 13:29:46 GMT -7
The Gold is a higher wattage speaker (50w) than the Blue (15) watt. When the speakers are in series, the first speaker takes more of the load from the amp. The total power handling is 2x your lowest speaker, which in this case would be a total of 30 watts. You want the sturdier speaker taking the blast as to not hurt the lower powered speaker.
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Post by mfirst on Jul 31, 2012 16:56:20 GMT -7
^^^
What he said.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Jul 31, 2012 17:13:25 GMT -7
TECHNICALLY it really doesnt matter where the speaker sits..... 30 watts is 30 watts , I think that speaker will handle a tad bit more than 30 watts but it would be kind of expensive to find out the hard way ;D I still Love my RAY with 1x12 Gold and its not too shabby with a Gold/Heritage 12 H oh yeah my Weber SB/BD ALNICOS are hard to beat. Just saying
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Post by Hohn on Aug 5, 2012 15:10:57 GMT -7
The Gold is a higher wattage speaker (50w) than the Blue (15) watt. When the speakers are in series, the first speaker takes more of the load from the amp. The total power handling is 2x your lowest speaker, which in this case would be a total of 30 watts. You want the sturdier speaker taking the blast as to not hurt the lower powered speaker. Are you forgetting this is an AC signal? The first speaker"getting the blast" is only for one half of the sine wave. The other speaker gets the blast on the other half of the wave. Given the compression of a tube amp at max power, it is HIGHLY unlikely for there to be a substantial difference between the two halves of the first complete sine wave to hit the speaker. Thus, speaker order does not matter. Even in series.
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Post by mfirst on Aug 5, 2012 16:41:14 GMT -7
The Gold is a higher wattage speaker (50w) than the Blue (15) watt. When the speakers are in series, the first speaker takes more of the load from the amp. The total power handling is 2x your lowest speaker, which in this case would be a total of 30 watts. You want the sturdier speaker taking the blast as to not hurt the lower powered speaker. Are you forgetting this is an AC signal? The first speaker"getting the blast" is only for one half of the sine wave. The other speaker gets the blast on the other half of the wave. Given the compression of a tube amp at max power, it is HIGHLY unlikely for there to be a substantial difference between the two halves of the first complete sine wave to hit the speaker. Thus, speaker order does not matter. Even in series. Good to know. So what about all of those cases of AC30s blowing the first vox blue rendering them totally silent? That was the case right? Did it just happen to be one of the speakers that blew, not necessarilly the first one?
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Post by Hohn on Aug 5, 2012 17:54:29 GMT -7
If a Vox blows the speaker and they are wired in series then it will go silent because you now have an open circuit. It seems unlikely that it would always be the same one of the two speakers that always blew at each time.
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Post by mfirst on Aug 6, 2012 3:57:02 GMT -7
This is all good to know. Thanks for clearing this issue up.
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Post by Stan on Aug 6, 2012 5:26:17 GMT -7
thanks for clearing this up as well
for some reason i've always understood that the 1st speaker rules
so much mis information out there
thank goodness for Z-Talk
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Post by kc on Aug 6, 2012 11:07:51 GMT -7
The Gold is a higher wattage speaker (50w) than the Blue (15) watt. When the speakers are in series, the first speaker takes more of the load from the amp. The total power handling is 2x your lowest speaker, which in this case would be a total of 30 watts. You want the sturdier speaker taking the blast as to not hurt the lower powered speaker. IIRC, this is exactly as Dr Z himself described the reasoning for putting the Gold first in line - this was at Z Fest 2010, I think. kc
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