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Post by Strato on Jun 29, 2007 22:19:51 GMT -7
I am really interested in some Fralins(or maybe something else) for my strat... I'd like to get some super chimey "The Edge" like tones. I was considering either the Vintage Hot or the Real 54's. I have also heard great things about the DeTemples.
I see that the middle pickup comes reverse wound from Fralin. What does reverse winding do, and should I get my bridge and neck pickups in these as well?
Also... would you recommend the fralin blender pot?
If you would recommend something that will better suit me than Fralins, please let me know.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jun 29, 2007 22:33:28 GMT -7
He reverse winds the middle pot so that when you put the neck/middle combo, or the middle/bridge combo on, it's in humbucking configuration.
I have the blender on both my Srat and my Tele, and it's a great option.
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Post by dei305 on Jun 30, 2007 7:44:23 GMT -7
Strato, I have a set of Fralin Blues specials on my 74 strat and love em. As Steve pointed out, the reverse wind eliminates the 60 cycle hum. You can order your choice of set with out the reverse winding as Lindy also offers the Suhr hum canceling board with back plate. I use a push pull switch to add the bridge pup to the neck pup (creating a bit of a tele type tone) or I can have all three pups on at the same time. Another brand of pups to consider is Lollar. Have fun, Rick
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Post by Strato on Jun 30, 2007 8:16:18 GMT -7
So... Does reverse winding make the pickup and humbucker, or only when in combination with another pickup? If I get all pickups reverse-wound, will it still sound like a strat in all positions? Sorry if my question is redundant.
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Post by cosmo on Jun 30, 2007 8:52:44 GMT -7
Having the middle pickup reverse wound gives you hum cancelling in the combined positions only. Single pickup positions still hum like usual. I think Fralins are a great choice for what you want. Blues Specials are a little hotter (darker) than VHs; I haven't tried the 54s but IIRC they are lower output than the others so even brighter/clearer. I also have the DeTemple set on one of my Strats. It's calibrated so the neck is low output like a 54, the middle and bridge are hotter like 60s pickups. Great sounding and very versatile.
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Post by tele1962 on Jun 30, 2007 11:47:36 GMT -7
Neither Jason Lollar's or Lindy Fralin's PU's will ever be a bad plan as replacements for today's Strats or Teles. And if you have original vintage Fender guitars with Fender PU's, get Lindy to rewind them for you if they're defective or fatiqued. Then stick 'em back in and play 'em. Very much worth the trouble if that's trouble at all!
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Post by Strato on Jun 30, 2007 13:43:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies everyone... I still need some help with the reverse-wound thing. I realize that in the 2 and 4 positions, it cancels noise, but will these positions sound different than a strat without the reverse winding?
Will using 3 reverse wound pickups eliminate all 60 cycle hum in all positions?
And if 3 reverse wound pickups are used, will they sound more like humbuckers, and not like the typical single coil strat sound?
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Post by kledbet on Jun 30, 2007 14:01:56 GMT -7
The reverse winding on the middle pickup is standard. Any strat you have ever heard uses it. It makes a strat sound like a strat. The only way to eliminate hum is with noiseless pickups or the new Surh system which by all accounts works great... about 270 dollars.
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Post by Strato on Jun 30, 2007 14:16:23 GMT -7
The reverse winding on the middle pickup is standard. Any strat you have ever heard uses it. It makes a strat sound like a strat. The only way to eliminate hum is with noiseless pickups or the new Surh system which by all accounts works great... about 270 dollars. Awesome... thanks for the help! As far as the surh system, does it include pickups? Or is it only a noiseless wiring system? Also... I can't decide between the fralin real '54s or the vintage hot. I believe they are the same pickups, except the bridge pickup on the VH's is hotter. The VH's are the best sellers, but I am nervous about the volume difference between the hot bridge pickup compared to the other two. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My Dad is an EE... hopefully he can help me wire it up.
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Post by Stratmeister on Jul 1, 2007 6:54:30 GMT -7
Strato, don't be concerned about the difference in 'hotness' of the pickups, you can make any adjustments you need by adjusting the pickup height. Besides you want the bridge hotter generally since that is your lead pickup and want it a bit louder and hotter to OD when necessary. You also have a volume control on the guitar that you should learn to use judiciously to control loudness and OD.
Basic decision, the vintage pickups will produce less output, therefore you get a cleaner more bell-like tone, the Hots more output hence more ability to OD the tone. If you play rock, blues, alternative go with the Hots. If you play country, swing, church, go 54s.
Oh, and the DeTemples are excellent pickups. In reality, they're Lollars...
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Post by Curt on Jul 1, 2007 8:08:13 GMT -7
Strato, don't be concerned about the difference in 'hotness' of the pickups, you can make any adjustments you need by adjusting the pickup height. Besides you want the bridge hotter generally since that is your lead pickup and want it a bit louder and hotter to OD when necessary. You also have a volume control on the guitar that you should learn to use judiciously to control loudness and OD. Basic decision, the vintage pickups will produce less output, therefore you get a cleaner more bell-like tone, the Hots more output hence more ability to OD the tone. If you play rock, blues, alternative go with the Hots. If you play country, swing, church, go 54s. Oh, and the DeTemples are excellent pickups. In reality, they're Lollars... +1
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Post by skydog958 on Jul 1, 2007 12:38:08 GMT -7
Oh, and the DeTemples are excellent pickups. In reality, they're Lollars... mmm...I've finally going to finish my tele project and hear the DeTemple tele set after 2+ years of them sitting around in my basement... By the way Strato...is your strat ash or adler? Mine is ash with lots of maple, and that adds a lot of chime even though I've got the Fralin Blues Specials in it.
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Post by Strato on Jul 1, 2007 15:03:49 GMT -7
I think its Alder Anyways... I ordered a set of the Vintage Hots from TrueTone Music. The bridge pickup comes with a bass plate... hopefully it wont effect the mids or highs.
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 2, 2007 1:18:17 GMT -7
Ive got an alder body with a rosewood slab board and a set of Fralin 54's in it. In that particular guitar I haven't heard a better sounding set of pickups. They are fat and well balanced but still ring quite nicely. My buddy has 2 sets of Fralin vintage hots in his ash bodied maple neck strats and they are a perfect match as well. To my ears fralin make just about the best vintage sounding Stratocaster pickups out there. The baseplate is a great idea if you want a fraction more thud to your bottom end. Good luck with your choice, I can't speak anymore highly of a Fralin, all his single coils are fantastic.
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Post by Strato on Jul 6, 2007 21:08:25 GMT -7
Uh... Wow? These pickups are incredible!! I am beyond satisfied ;D
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