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Post by telebender on Apr 26, 2012 7:37:16 GMT -7
Hey Guys, I posted something similar on here a while back and got some good advice so I'm posting again for an upgrade to our current gig rig (or lack there of). we are using a Mackie 808 and two 112 speakers of some sort but need some more bigger and maybe an outdoor gig. want the kick in there. We play rock/alt.country/cowpunk... uh...just american rock-n-roll i guess We're currently looking into EON515s, or maybe the older G2s, also considering EV ELX112Ps with a Sub, or maybe Yamaha DSR-115s... Ahhhhhhhh! I don't know. The budget is probably ~$2000 or less Any comments or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike
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Post by Maddog on Apr 26, 2012 7:50:54 GMT -7
I've been using a Mackie mixer and powered monitors for 12 years now.....Minimun of 4 hrs per week.....Have repaired each SRM 450 powered monitor only once.... Lots of power and well-built......under $2k.
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Post by bluzman on Apr 26, 2012 8:44:33 GMT -7
Powered Speakers and add powered subs for more. If you got for subs the tops can be 12 with horns. Mackie, FBT, QSC... there is some good stuff out there.
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Post by telebender on Apr 26, 2012 10:11:06 GMT -7
Thanks guys. The list for consideration grows. Tough to choose.
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Post by telebender on Apr 26, 2012 11:09:15 GMT -7
In the new Recording/Sound Forum.... NICE! Thanks Mods!
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Post by doctorice on Apr 26, 2012 15:22:41 GMT -7
How many mic channels do you need?
We have a small Mackie (old VLZ1202, no effects) for gigs that just need some vocal mics. For larger gigs we have a Soundcraft Mfxi 16, which has 16 channels and built-in Lexicon effects. The 16 is more than we need, but we got a good deal on it. Even so, we're thinking of stepping down to a smaller version, probably an 8.
Have had good results using powered speakers from Mackie, QSC and EV. We generally only use subwoofers for large outdoor gigs; JBLs in our case.
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Post by Dustin on Apr 26, 2012 15:38:25 GMT -7
Through a combination of Craigslist, Guitar Center Used and horsetrading we have a combination of JBL mains and subs, Crown amps and an Allen & Heath mixer. I've never been a fan of powered speakers (for no good reason, admittedly) and IMHO A&H makes the best mid priced analog mixer for the money. I thing we have around $2500 tied up in the whole mess.
Don't know how it is in your area, but there seems to be an endless supply of folks who decide they want to DJ, max out the credit card only to realize they can't becomes overnight successes and hawk their barely (if ever) used gear on Craigslist. Of course, the usual warnings of 'try before you buy' come to mind but that's been my best source of PA gear around here.
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Post by telebender on Apr 26, 2012 16:22:15 GMT -7
We only need four mics for vocals. So eight should be plenty for kick etc. where we would use this.
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Post by doctorice on Apr 26, 2012 18:46:14 GMT -7
^^^
That's what we concluded also. Eight mic channels can handle vocals plus a guitar or two, the kick and an overhead on the drum kit. If the bass needs to run into front of house, then a DI box into one of the line-level channels that most of these mixers offer in addition to the mic channels. Same for keys.
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Post by byrdland on Apr 27, 2012 4:56:08 GMT -7
The Mackie 808 is a pretty good little head. If you just want to add subs, you can take the line out from the head into a 2 way crossover and send the high output of the crossover back into the power amp in of the Mackie. Take the low out of the crossover into a powered sub, or into a power amp and passive sub. The Mackie has a fairly limited eq, but it does work. If you want a better eq, you could put one in line between the mackie line out and the crosssover. Use at least DBX quality. Stay away from Alesis, Art, DOD, etc. You can still use the monitor outs of the Mackie for some monitor wedges. Set the crossover frequency at whatever point is recommended for the subs. If you don't know what that is, try 125-150 hz. You'll need more power for the subs than the mid-highs.
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Post by telebender on Apr 27, 2012 6:51:32 GMT -7
^^^ That's an option
Thanks
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Post by telebender on Apr 27, 2012 12:45:48 GMT -7
Looks like it's gonna be (2)ELX112Ps and a Yorkville LS801P! as a bonus I found a used Sabine Power-Q!
Thanks for the comments
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Post by telebender on May 3, 2012 13:06:41 GMT -7
Okay, so I've started looking for a little mixer. the more i look and think about it the more it grows. right now I'm considering a presonus studiolive 16.4.2. I had never looked into these before cause i thought: 1. looks like it's for recording 2. too expensive. 3. too complicated 4. it's 'digital' why would i consider it: - I now see that it looks like it's more for live and has a firewire interface as an added feature
- I know that I'll end up with some rack stuff like compressors and stuff even though I say that I won't.
- I've been aiming for a new recording interface of some sort. maybe this would work?
- If I get a good board with at least 8 preamps, a few compressors, a driverack, a rack, and a recording interface I'm well over the studiolive cost
Do you guys know anything of this board? What are you using? does anybody in the audience really care? Thanks, Mike
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Post by benttop (Steve) on May 3, 2012 13:13:52 GMT -7
does anybody in the audience really care? Thanks, Mike Long as they can hear the drums and bass, they really don't care. You don't make it better for them, you make it better for you. They like it more, but they don't know why. Long as that jungle rhythm keeps going, they going to dance.
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Post by telebender on May 3, 2012 13:22:29 GMT -7
Ha! Thanks Steve. Right on
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 15:15:08 GMT -7
I know a couple guys who use that presonus studio live 16.4.2. Pretty powerful box. Everything has a learning curve but that thing has a lot of features. A lot of which can be tweaked with a computer/iPad/iPhone.
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Post by telebender on May 3, 2012 18:05:41 GMT -7
Good to know Roscoe, thanks. has way more stuff than I'll use but It appears to have what I would probably try to buy in the next several months anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 7:00:54 GMT -7
Hey telebender, we have a Presonus Live 16.4.2 that we use in our set up...it's a mighty cool board and for us newbies to it, has been quite a learning curve as Eric mentioned. We have not even begun to tap into its abilities. It does have everything built right in and once you get the just of it, is quite simple to use. We really like it a lot! I especially like the presets in the menu for eq'ing and effects!
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Post by telebender on May 4, 2012 7:11:34 GMT -7
Cool! Thanks Mark. I think I'm goin' for it. We need all the help we can get.
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Post by telebender on May 4, 2012 19:33:21 GMT -7
it's on the way.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 5:06:48 GMT -7
^^^^ Congrats!!! Here's a great series of videos that a fella does that are great for people like me, he keeps it simple!
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Post by telebender on May 8, 2012 18:33:05 GMT -7
Those are some good vids Mark! Thanks So Far, So Good. cool box, lots of stuff,... . now for the road test! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 12:00:46 GMT -7
^^^^^ Schwing!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 5:23:45 GMT -7
Looking good!
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Post by byrdland on May 10, 2012 5:58:10 GMT -7
Our sound guy has done a lot of professional work with a lot of big boards and top shelf equipment. He loves the Presonus Live equipment. You shouldn't need very much if any outboard processing equipment. There will be a learning curve, but your back will appreciate loading in and out ease. Good choices on the speakers.
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Post by telebender on May 10, 2012 6:37:49 GMT -7
thanks guys. it took a couple of minutes to get used to the concept but seems to be an easy board to use like a board and when you add the computer it's really cool.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 12:53:33 GMT -7
we don't have a computer equipped with a Firewire outlet but as soon as I can, I would like to get my laptop equipped with one so we can do some rough recording and what not...
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Post by zpilot on May 15, 2012 22:11:45 GMT -7
I made the change to a digital board (Yamaha LS9) about two years ago at the church where I am the sound engineer. It took some studying because the manual is 212 pages long but I could see that they are the future of sound reinforcement and I needed to get on board. It has everything you could ever want. You just have to learn how to access it. I still use a A&H Mix Wizard for my band but when the price of digital boards come down I hope to get one for my own use. The PreSonus has me interested.
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Post by telebender on May 27, 2012 21:29:48 GMT -7
we don't have a computer equipped with a Firewire outlet but as soon as I can, I would like to get my laptop equipped with one so we can do some rough recording and what not... Mark!!! find the $20 and go for the TI Expresscard.. good stuff man
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 16:21:36 GMT -7
I would easily go for that...but...my laptop does not have a port for it....balls!!!
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