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Post by oldgoat on Mar 7, 2007 11:22:43 GMT -7
I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations for replacement pickups for my 335. The original '57 that came with it were way too muddy, but the Bill Lawrence's that I have had in it for the past few years are not sitting well with my ears lately. I miss the more rounded tone I get from my other guitars, Les Pauls, Telecaster. I know we are talking a wide tonal range between the Les Paul and Tele but there is a marked difference from them to the 335. Now if I'm playing jazz doing a Grant Green thing, where I need to be really clear, I'm spot on with the tone. But playing blues or anything else leaves me wanting more.
I have SD Antiquities in my LP Standard which I love. But not sure how they will do in a semi-hollow. And my dealer is big on Lollars but again they haven't tried them in a 335.
Any suggestions would be a big help. Thank you all in advance!
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Post by nitehawk55 on Mar 7, 2007 20:10:24 GMT -7
I put a set of SD Seth Lovers in my Heritage 535 and they sound awsome . Well rounded full tone and very responsive . I like em but each person has thier own taste
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Post by Shannon on Mar 7, 2007 20:38:38 GMT -7
I'd ask Michael Burks. I think he uses Voodoo's in his Flying V. And I think I've seen him with a 335. Not sure on that. Still Gibson replacement pickups. He's got tone to spare!
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Post by skydog958 on Mar 7, 2007 21:59:16 GMT -7
I've got SD '59s in my H-535, they do just fine for me! But curiousity makes me want to try TV Jones'...
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Post by BW on Mar 7, 2007 22:48:19 GMT -7
I wish I KNEW what was in the 335 I have now. Its a '95 Dot reissue, Gibson says they should be '57 Classics, but they don't have stickers on 'em to that effect. And they said there was an interim period where they didn't put PAF stickers on 'em. Don't think they're the 490/500T or whatever the low end ones are called, they actually sound pretty good. Guess I'll just leave 'em alone, shut up and play my git-tar. (But only in the studio.)
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Post by dei305 on Mar 7, 2007 23:18:30 GMT -7
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Mar 8, 2007 3:32:34 GMT -7
A Duncan '59 (neck) and a JB (bridge) just can't be beat in almost ANY Gibson.....JMO That's what my 335 has in it... Happy Happy ;D Reportedly, that's the combination Keef has been using in his 335's the past several years as well. Actually, that's why I went that route. Don't regret it at all. The '59 will give you all the "woman tone" you can stand. And the JB has enuff "grunt" to make your tubes wish they were in somebody else's amp.. Although, I DO have '57 Classics in 3 of my other Gibbies.. (CS Historic Les Paul's and a '62 RI SG)..LOVE 'em man.....So does Warren Haynes Hope this helps.. T rock..
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Post by oldgoat on Mar 8, 2007 12:09:52 GMT -7
It seems that the pickups that I've been looking at are what people are using. The Seth Lovers, '59s. T rock, very interested that you are using a JB in the bridge. Been wanting to try one for a while. I've kind of gotten an idea from BW in that I've decided to first have my original 500K pots put back in (Bill Lawrence's use 250K) and put the '57 classics back also. With the original pickups I'll go from there to either of the SDs or maybe even keeping the '57s in. The Bill Lawrence's have such an unique sound I want to have a baseline pickup to compare to. With the 500K pots I'll be able to swap out a little easier. When I did the swap 5 years ago I was only playing jazz so anything that wasn't crystal clear was out of the question. Now that I've calmed down and cranked it up again I'm ready for a little more flavor in the sound. Now wish me luck in telling the guy that works on my guitars that I want the pots changed. Thanks everyone! I can't tell you how much help this has been. I'll follow up when I get the 335 back.
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Post by nitehawk55 on Mar 8, 2007 12:42:16 GMT -7
Always an adventure changing out pups and no I would not even try touching the electronics in my 535 , I know it would be a recipe for a disaster I first tried a set of Mike Turks first in mine ( originals were Shallers ) but they were very dark and muddy but the SD Seth Lovers brought it to life as it should with all the woody resonance it has Hope it all works out for you .
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Post by kledbet on Mar 8, 2007 18:44:40 GMT -7
I don't think you can beat the Jason Lollar Imperial pickups. I have them in 3 guitars.... sweet.
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Post by dei305 on Mar 9, 2007 4:15:12 GMT -7
oldgoat, Changing the 250K to 500K will open up the pups dramatically. You may want to ask your tech to put a 100pf cap between the input and output lugs. That will maintain the same tone at all volume levels. Typically, when you turn the volume control down on your guitar you can hear the highs go away. The 100 pf caps eliminates the highs loss. Here is a wiring diagram from Lindy Fralin. He likes using a 250pf with a 220K resistor. www.fralinpickups.com/images/phazrev.jpgYou can experiment with different values. Rick
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Post by propellr on Mar 9, 2007 7:56:31 GMT -7
+1 to all you semi-hollow-bodied-electric-guitar-freaks out there! (I still haven't played my Les Paul since I got my 335 and my Z. What on earth FOR?)
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Post by craigmccle on Mar 10, 2007 9:23:33 GMT -7
I'm working on getting the funds for a Heritage 535 and am trying to figure out what pickups to put in it. Have any of you guys tried Heritage's HRW pickups? If so what do you think and besides the several different ideas above, any other ideas?
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Post by Hohn on Mar 12, 2007 0:30:55 GMT -7
I played a set of Seth Lovers in a Hamer Artist and they sounded very very warm with a real sweetness to them when overdriven.
But they are right on the ragged edge between "nice and warm" and "muddy mess"-- so the amp they are used with will make the difference imo.
Through a 6V6 amp, the Lovers are awesome! They'd smoke with a Z-28, imo....
jh
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Post by nitehawk55 on Mar 13, 2007 17:50:44 GMT -7
I played a set of Seth Lovers in a Hamer Artist and they sounded very very warm with a real sweetness to them when overdriven. But they are right on the ragged edge between "nice and warm" and "muddy mess"-- so the amp they are used with will make the difference imo. Through a 6V6 amp, the Lovers are awesome! They'd smoke with a Z-28, imo.... jh Oh man you got that right , mine just sing through my Carr Slant 6V (4-6V6's ) ;D AWSOME !!!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Mar 13, 2007 19:05:49 GMT -7
I played a set of Seth Lovers in a Hamer Artist and they sounded very very warm with a real sweetness to them when overdriven. But they are right on the ragged edge between "nice and warm" and "muddy mess"-- so the amp they are used with will make the difference imo. Through a 6V6 amp, the Lovers are awesome! They'd smoke with a Z-28, imo.... jh Oh man you got that right , mine just sing through my Carr Slant 6V (4-6V6's ) ;D AWSOME !!! oh man, what's that noise .... maybe me startin' a g.a.s. attack for a 535 to match my H-150 ? ;D
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Post by oldgoat on Apr 8, 2007 20:10:39 GMT -7
Got my 335 back with the '57 Classics and 500k pots put back in. "Ahhhhh". So now I remember why I bought this guitar. ;D Because it sounds so good. Duh. Yes I know this is maybe sort of a second honeymoon, but it sounds great in everything I've played it through so far, even going direct. Funny thing is I can't hear what the problem was with these pickups that made me swap them out in the first place. Went and played all of the material that was giving me such a hard time tonally a few years back and they sounded great. Maybe I got better? Nah, the pickup gremlins went and fixed them. Yeah thats it. But the Lollars that they were waving in my face at the shop did look very tempting. Well give me a few months and we'll see if some real playing time changes my mind and my pickups. Thanks to everyone for your help and a tip of the hat to BW for reminding me that stock Gibson pickups can sound good.
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Post by BW on Apr 8, 2007 20:26:00 GMT -7
Imagine THAT! I recently A/B'd my '95 335 with a very similar one that came in used at my local GC (where I drive 'em nuts every Saturday a.m. before the kids show up and crank every possible source of square wave known to man to 100db) The pickups in their 335 ohmed out at 8.6K (neck) and 8.8 (bridge)--Mine was 8.something or other K (neck) and FOURTEEN POINT SIX K (bridge) ...seems like evil is afoot! I even have a coupla extra colored wires lurking in the deep, dark folds beyond the 'f' holes...(freudian slip, anyone?)
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Post by tele1962 on Apr 8, 2007 21:54:38 GMT -7
So many great replacement PU's being made today, added to Custom Shop re-issues available that are quite outstanding sometimes...how can you go wrong? It's just more opinions and stuff for us to talk about. Hell, get the Lollars. Jason Lollar takes this whole PU thing very seriously and likes his stuff to sound authentic and that''s good enough for me.
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Post by oldgoat on Apr 9, 2007 8:28:51 GMT -7
FOURTEEN POINT SIX K (bridge) ...seems like evil is afoot! !!!!! Seems that the people winding these things get excited once and awhile. Maybe thats why my set sounds so good... "Honey, get out the Ohm meter!"
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Post by BW on Apr 9, 2007 12:10:15 GMT -7
Yeah, mine sounds pretty good as it sits, and it IS a Gibson pickup, prolly just one of the 'shredder' ones, although it doesn't really sound that 'hot' to me. I just want to be able to 'hear the wood' (mostly in the middle position with both pickups on) and not that big ol' coil' o' wahr.
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Post by tele1962 on Apr 9, 2007 20:09:39 GMT -7
Yea, there's nothing wrong with a Gibson PU . I've heard some of the best Fender sounds from Fender PU's. I use Kinman, Lollar and Lindy Fralin in a few newer Fenders ( mainly put them in just to see what they would do...) I like all of them. But thye arent anything better than the PU's in say my 58 Strat or 62 Strat. And those are just old Fender PU's. No magic there.
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Post by BW on Apr 9, 2007 22:32:16 GMT -7
My old Fenders are too noisy w/ no reverse wound middle pickup!
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Post by skydog958 on Apr 11, 2007 9:56:31 GMT -7
Maybe that Suhr Noiseless System can fix that...I'm hoping it can work on my strat.
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Post by quinto on Apr 16, 2007 21:48:24 GMT -7
I don't think you can beat the Jason Lollar Imperial pickups. I have them in 3 guitars.... sweet. I like the Lollars a lot too. I had the chance to play a 335 with these through my Jr. and it was almost magical.
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Post by Jan on Apr 16, 2007 22:08:10 GMT -7
The sound of the '57 humbuckers have always been pretty much the sound of music to my ears. I always attributed any mud to cheap pots and the nearly useless tone circuits on most amps.
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