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Post by billyguitar on Feb 28, 2006 16:41:38 GMT -7
I subscribed for years to Stereophile and some of the other publications. Those guys are for the most part really out there splitting the finest hairs that can be imagined. That's okay but it got to be too much for me. I always bought Class C rated components and have been happy enough. Never did jump in for the better/expensive wires.
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 3, 2006 19:27:31 GMT -7
Thought I'd bump this , some good reading and probably someone's going to ask............
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 4, 2006 17:29:04 GMT -7
Probably talking to myself on here but I've found a dealer in BC who handles Zaolla cables and will be trying one of those . I've been using Planet Waves and some other budget cables . Never really gave cable effect much thought till I read this thread . I guess any product that starts with a Z has got to be good ??
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 4, 2006 21:33:28 GMT -7
Probably talking to myself on here but I've found a dealer in BC who handles Zaolla cables and will be trying one of those . I've been using Planet Waves and some other budget cables . Never really gave cable effect much thought till I read this thread . I guess any product that starts with a Z has got to be good ?? I was over to a bud's place the other week and he uses Planet Waves, so we got to talking and did a quick A/B test between those and my $160 Solid Cables. We could definitely hear a difference, but it was a lot harder to decide which was better. They were definitely different, but one could argue for either I suppose. Fascinating stuff.
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 5, 2006 15:07:32 GMT -7
Probably talking to myself on here but I've found a dealer in BC who handles Zaolla cables and will be trying one of those . I've been using Planet Waves and some other budget cables . Never really gave cable effect much thought till I read this thread . I guess any product that starts with a Z has got to be good ?? I was over to a bud's place the other week and he uses Planet Waves, so we got to talking and did a quick A/B test between those and my $160 Solid Cables. We could definitely hear a difference, but it was a lot harder to decide which was better. They were definitely different, but one could argue for either I suppose. Fascinating stuff. Hmmmm , now you have me thinking I could be wasting my money . No one around here uses any of these high end cables in this thread so I don't have anything to A/B and compare . I have had no problems with the PW's and they seem to be made very well .
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Nov 5, 2006 17:44:15 GMT -7
The way I look at it is that it's always worth it to be open to try something different. That's because you may not realize you're missing something. If you try it and it doesn't float your boat, at least you can say "I tried that. It didn't float my boat." But when I started down this path, every better cable I tried sounded better and better, till I had the most expensive cables I could buy. And for >>MY<< style and playing, they work great. But every one of us is expecting something different from our gear, so we all have to go through this trial ourselves. There is no getting the answer from anyone else. Only suggestions..
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 5, 2006 19:01:48 GMT -7
I wouldn't worry about spending the money. How much money have you got in guitars?, in amps? in pedals? A cable isn't much money in that perspective.
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 5, 2006 20:12:03 GMT -7
I wouldn't worry about spending the money. How much money have you got in guitars?, in amps? in pedals? A cable isn't much money in that perspective. I've got way too much in guitars and amps Billy . Nothing in effects , I'm a plug and play type play type of guy save a volume , Wah and an A/B for amps ( sometimes ) . I'll probably give those other cablesa try but I wish some of these guitar stores in the London area where I live would carry some stuff other than main line . I know directionalshear and a couple others may be in the London Ontario area that own DR. Z's but stuff other than the usual main brand makes are a rarity for sure around here . I own a Rivera , Carr's , Dr. Z and when other players see these they say " what is that ? "....most have never seen or heard one !
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Post by rhythmeister on Nov 6, 2006 0:41:46 GMT -7
Probably talking to myself on here but I've found a dealer in BC who handles Zaolla cables and will be trying one of those . I've been using Planet Waves and some other budget cables . Never really gave cable effect much thought till I read this thread . I guess any product that starts with a Z has got to be good ?? Just FYI, Kingsley Amplifiers in BC sells Klotz cables for a very fair price. Cheers, Blair
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 6, 2006 2:54:39 GMT -7
Probably talking to myself on here but I've found a dealer in BC who handles Zaolla cables and will be trying one of those . I've been using Planet Waves and some other budget cables . Never really gave cable effect much thought till I read this thread . I guess any product that starts with a Z has got to be good ?? Just FYI, Kingsley Amplifiers in BC sells Klotz cables for a very fair price. Do they have mail order or a website ? Thanks ! Cheers, Blair
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Post by rhythmeister on Nov 6, 2006 10:31:40 GMT -7
Do they have mail order or a website ? Thanks ! Here's the website (check under "pricing" for Klotz cables): www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/Looks like they ship cables within Canada for $3 per cable. Cheers, Blair
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 6, 2006 13:39:08 GMT -7
Thanks Blair , I bookmarked the site , some interesting amps too !!
Sheesh ! you could tell I was still half asleep at 5AM when I sent that question....I don't even know how I messed that up . ;D
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 6, 2006 14:30:07 GMT -7
I've read a lot of good things about Kingsley amps.
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Post by rhythmeister on Nov 6, 2006 15:14:48 GMT -7
I've read a lot of good things about Kingsley amps. Yeah, we recently had a little guitar show here in Vancouver and the Kingsley amps made a big splash. Simon Jarrett (the man behind the amps) played a set with a trio and his tone (LP through his Kingsley combo...unsure of model) was killer. Nailed Hendrix "Little Wing" and so much more. Seems like a great product. Cheers, Blair
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Post by nitehawk55 on Nov 8, 2006 16:20:58 GMT -7
I've read a lot of good things about Kingsley amps. Yeah, we recently had a little guitar show here in Vancouver and the Kingsley amps made a big splash. Simon Jarrett (the man behind the amps) played a set with a trio and his tone (LP through his Kingsley combo...unsure of model) was killer. Nailed Hendrix "Little Wing" and so much more. Seems like a great product. Cheers, Blair Had a good chat with Simon and have ordered a couple KlotZ cables from him as well as a Zaolla from another fellow in BC . Don't know if these cables will make a difference from the Planet waves I use but I'll see . Blair , got to admit after looking over his amp line and the reviews for the classic 30 2X12 on HC and some other models , he has some well recieved amps ! Buy Canadian !! ;D
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Post by tele1962 on Nov 9, 2006 19:04:11 GMT -7
Actually, Planet Waves hold their own pretty good on shielding and pure conductivity values, when you bench them. There are better cables, for sure, and if you play lots and in strange situations then perhaps they're worth it. And as far as spending the money on good cables are concerned...let's think about how humorous we sound about being budgetary! We all own Z Amps, and likely a fist full of even more expensive toys. Price be hanged to the people in this forum!
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Post by nitehawk55 on Dec 6, 2006 20:21:50 GMT -7
Do they have mail order or a website ? Thanks ! Here's the website (check under "pricing" for Klotz cables): www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/Looks like they ship cables within Canada for $3 per cable. Cheers, Blair I got a couple of Klotz cables Blair.....nice folks ! Got a Zaolla coming too and will a/b/c with my Planet Waves . You're right guys , a guy shouldn't be cheaping out on some of the other critical accessories such as cables .
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 7, 2006 6:54:17 GMT -7
On another thread on this forum there is talk of Pro Cables and Sound having a sale this month
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Post by rhythmeister on Dec 7, 2006 12:45:05 GMT -7
Here's the website (check under "pricing" for Klotz cables): www.kingsleyamplifiers.com/Looks like they ship cables within Canada for $3 per cable. Cheers, Blair I got a couple of Klotz cables Blair.....nice folks ! Hey, How do you like them? Cheers, Blair
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Post by nitehawk55 on Dec 7, 2006 15:09:04 GMT -7
Actually I have not tried the Klotz yet as i'm waiting to get the Zaolla and try an A/B against my Planet waves . Seems a lot of good reviews on both these cables so it will be interesting trying them in a few guitars and amps to see if there really is a noticable difference I'll let you know and I don't expect the Zaolla for a week or more because I just sent the money order plus the mail is a bit slower this time of year .
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Post by rhythmeister on Dec 7, 2006 17:01:13 GMT -7
Actually I have not tried the Klotz yet as i'm waiting to get the Zaolla and try an A/B against my Planet waves . Seems a lot of good reviews on both these cables so it will be interesting trying them in a few guitars and amps to see ifthere reall is a noticable difference Cool! I'll be interested to hear about your results. Cheers, Blair
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Post by taswegian on Dec 10, 2006 5:40:28 GMT -7
I had a cable blow out this weekend and have some dodgy patch leads too. I'm going to go ahead and invest in some George L's as they are easy to access for me here. Would like to try the Two-Rock cable but I'm sure the George L's will be fine. Still alot of money to part with for cables. Good enough for EJ and Billyguitar...good enough for me.
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 10, 2006 10:07:11 GMT -7
Tas: I've got more expensive cables than the George Ls but truthfully if I hear a difference at all a slight tweak of a toneknob would cancel out the difference that I thought I heard. I wish I could hear the difference to justify the expense but I can't. Benttop and others say they can hear it and I believe them when they say it. He's completely reliable about these things, I just wish I could hear it.
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Post by The Rev on Dec 29, 2006 16:58:10 GMT -7
After some long evaluation, my stage setup will be Canare from guitar to pedals, George L between pedals, Klotz from pedals to amp. The 15 ft Klotz helps retain more of the high end in that position than my original Canare. I assume George L cable would be similar or better given the slightly lower capacitance. I don't have a long length of George L to test. Well I guess it's get out the credit card time for me? The Rev. Jimmie Bratcher www.jimmiebratcher.comwww.myspace.com/jimmiebratcher
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jun 8, 2007 22:53:02 GMT -7
Back to the top!
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Post by saltydog3317 on Jun 9, 2007 0:10:42 GMT -7
I have just started reading all the different discussions about the difference a good cable can make. It would cost a guy a small fortune to get a few 15ft cables and a few short pedal cables. I really want to get some good cable as I have been using the $20 cables from my local shop. So, if I was to get them 1 at a time, which position in the chain do you start with? Which will yield the biggest improvements? Guitar to pedals or pedals to amp? I would probably do the few little short pedal cords last.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jun 9, 2007 7:47:11 GMT -7
You would probably notice the biggest difference by replacing the longest run you have, but that isn't necessarily so. Lets say your longest run is between your pedal board and your amp, but on your pedal board you have a particularly bad cable. So it depends a lot on the condition of the stuff you're using now. I think I got a real big bang for my buck when I swapped out all of the short runs on my pedal board with George-L's. You can make them up as short as you need, so you end up with only the length it requires to get the job done. Of course, they aren't cheap either, but you only have to buy what you need, and if you have a great store like I do, they'll even assemble all the runs for you! By the way, the secret on getting George-L's to work is to make the most exact cut possible - use a razor knife and make the cut so that it is a perfect flat cut with no hanging chads...
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Post by bolanrox on Jun 22, 2007 10:59:28 GMT -7
My favorite guitar to board and board to amp cables, for the money are the Lava Cable (shop brand). Noticible diffrence when i was a/bing it to the fender cables I had. It was like there was a wah in line, and someone rolled the volume back a hair..
I have Van Den Huls on my board going from my Wah probe into the looper and from the looper out to the SHO. I cant tell it is is just letting more of my gutiars tone through but there seemed to be a jump in the mids..
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Post by Strato on Jun 22, 2007 11:16:15 GMT -7
I just thought about this after I made the purchase...
I just got two Mogami 25 foot cables for my rig. I did A/B the, with my old shorter cables, and I did notice a slight boost in clarity. However, am I losing tone by using that much cable?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jun 22, 2007 11:30:52 GMT -7
I just thought about this after I made the purchase... I just got two Mogami 25 foot cables for my rig. I did A/B the, with my old shorter cables, and I did notice a slight boost in clarity. However, am I losing tone by using that much cable? Probably. But the bottom line is if it's working and you're happy, what's the beef? The thing is, cable is spec'd using a number of length and frequency dependent variables (see www.belden.com/pdfs/Techpprs/Coaxial%20Cables%20and%20Applications.pdf for a great explanation), so it's hard to make generalizations except to say that shorter is usually better. But the reality is when you're on a stage, longer is usually better for a completely different set of reasons. Everything's a tradeoff....
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