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Post by zman on Dec 14, 2006 15:19:18 GMT -7
Hi,
For shows I use a Boss DD-2 set for longer delay.
What Delay is KNOWN best for SHORTER Slapback ROCK-A-Billy type DELAY??
These Delay's are so EXPENSIVE I want some input on this before purchasing.
Thank you
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Post by ruger9 on Dec 14, 2006 15:31:58 GMT -7
Whew. This should be an interesting thread.
Well, from MY personal experience...
The Danelectro Dan-Echo is very cool, but suffers from tone suck. Not Ture-Bypass. I forget the max delay time. If this pedal was True-bypass, I would never have sold it. It looks cool, it was cheap, and I loved it's functions.
The Marshall Echohead is also very cool, but also suffers from tone suck (altho less than the Dano). Not true-Bypass. Max delay time: 2 secs Again, if this pedal was True-Bypass, I probably would have kept it.
The SIB Echodrive is what's on my board, and I LOVE it. I cannot imagine ever getting rid of it. True-Bypass. Max delay time: 1.5 secs. No tone suck whatsoever, and actually seems to have some tone ENHANCEMENT that I like.
Now, onto things I've READ...
The Maxon AD-999 is supposed to be the "mother" of all currently-produced analog delays. (there are also several other "AD" series ones that people like). True-Bypass. 900ms I think?
The Ibanez AD-9 is also supposed to be VERY good, but it's not true-bypass. Keeley offers the AD-9 in a true-bypass model. Max delay time: 600ms I think?
The Aqua-Puss is the "Holy Grail" of analong delays, but they no longer make them, and you'll pay a small fortume to get one used.
As for a great, CHEAP, slap, the big winner of public opinion seems to be the Rocktron Short Timer. I would've tried one myself, but it can only do up to 600ms, and I wanted my delay to go longer than that sometimes.
I've got an Echohead for sale right now.
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Post by steveinnashville on Dec 14, 2006 16:03:35 GMT -7
The AD-9 has a much shorter delay time than 600 ms. It's set for 300ms or so. AnalogMan has an article about adjusting some trimmers in the pedal to get around 500ms of delay, though it might void the warrantee and affects the sound a little. The AD-999 does say 900ms on the website, though. I like the Deluxe Memory Man a lot, though it's kind of quirky and adds chorus/vibrato on it's own every once in a while. I just bought an old strat and was thinking of rigging up a new pickguard for it with GFS ( www.guitarfetish.com ) MODboard Analog Delay circuit right in the guitar! The G&L SC-3 I bought has one volume and one tone. If I put an S-500 pickguard on it that has an extra tone control spot and a spot for an on/off switch, it would work great for this delay circuit. It is advertised to have 10ms-550ms delay time, like the Deluxe Memory Man. I'm keeping the DMM, as it's great (and I have another electric guitar as well). This will probably mainly be used for crazy feedback/delay time control spinning effects a la Pink Floyd, all without having to get down on the floor to play with the controls on the DMM. They're only $50, I can't NOT try this out!
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Post by steveinnashville on Dec 14, 2006 16:05:20 GMT -7
There are also delays from Dr. Scientist, BJF (Mad Professor), Arion ($25!) and others that get good reviews on The Gear Page. The Diamond Memory Lane seems to be a nice (expen$ive) intermediary between the Deluxe Memory Man and something like the ToneCzar EchoCzar (beyond expen$ive!)...
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Post by mudskipper on Dec 14, 2006 16:22:19 GMT -7
i still use my Guyatone MD-3 and think it's the best kept secret. it's super quiet in front of gained up amps (virtually no hiss) and its active bypass sounds good. oh, and it's very small. i do have a cap hooked up to the feedback control to roll of the highs in repeats.
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Post by ruger9 on Dec 14, 2006 16:27:21 GMT -7
OT, but that's a damn beautiful Paisley you got there Mudskipper. I saw her over on TDPRI. Is she done yet? I'd love to see a completed pic.
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Post by zman on Dec 14, 2006 17:03:12 GMT -7
I had the Diamond Memory Lane..... it was big but IMO found it to have to much of the Analog swirl going on. I found I dislike the swirl with chorus pedals as well. I still love the DD2 and just may get another. I guess I like in between somewhat. Not to Analog nor digital if that makes sense.
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Post by mudskipper on Dec 14, 2006 17:05:41 GMT -7
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Post by Danny on Dec 14, 2006 18:39:52 GMT -7
What Delay is KNOWN best for SHORTER Slapback ROCK-A-Billy type DELAY?? I've been using a Visual Sound H2O. It's a 2-in-1 combination Chorus and Delay pedal. The delay side has a button that allows you to switch between short and long delay times, and then a couple or three knobs allow you to make fine adjustments to each of the 2 button settings. I find that it gets a very nice analog-sounding slap-back. The manual also gives instructions and sample settings. Hope this helps.
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Post by steveinnashville on Dec 14, 2006 23:18:44 GMT -7
Also check out the Jacques Prisoner. 120 miliseconds or less should get you a good slapback echo...
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Post by zman on Dec 15, 2006 5:54:30 GMT -7
Would the TTE be just a little or allot better then these others mentioned?
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Post by mudskipper on Dec 15, 2006 7:08:56 GMT -7
Would the TTE be just a little or allot better then these others mentioned? it depends on what you want. TTE wouldn't be better than any stomp boxes from the portability standpoint, for example. i'd imagine, you'd have to clean it and demag it like the old units. but it would most likely better than others as a saturation device.
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Post by dock66 on Dec 15, 2006 8:30:06 GMT -7
I use both DD2 and VS H20 for different delay settings.The preset manual helps start the initial settings and then I fine tune it according to my taste.Works well for what I am doing.
JB
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Post by kruzty on Dec 15, 2006 8:50:09 GMT -7
I have a DD-3 that can be set for a pretty good slap-back. The problem is, I had to bend down and change settings when I wanted to go from slap-back to a longer delay. So, I got a Line 6 DL4 and really like it. You can have 3 programmed delays, so I have an analog slap-back, a digital long delay, and an analog long delay with modulation (chorus). So, if you want to only have one delay pedal, this is a good option.
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Post by (8^D) on Dec 15, 2006 11:06:42 GMT -7
If $ is a concern, the Arion delays are actually pretty decent...and pretty cheap!
For all around beating/giggin' on a pedalboard, a DD-3 and an AD-9 would get you your digital and analog delays... use the DD for the clean and longer delays and the AD9 for your shorter/slapback stuff - as noted above, the analog generally have much shorter 'max' delay times.
There are a ton of other delay mfg's out there, but the DD and AD series are pretty standard.
--another thought, get a DD series (5 or 6) that has a tap tempo footswitch option and just use the one effect - tap the speed you need for each song - can have the longer and short slap-back tempos w/just the one pedal.
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Post by zman on Dec 15, 2006 11:29:56 GMT -7
Has anybody compared the AD-9 next to the AD80?
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Post by messenger on Dec 15, 2006 13:10:30 GMT -7
so far it looks like its between the t rex replica & the maxon ad999.read good things about both.
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Post by zman on Dec 15, 2006 16:11:48 GMT -7
So what is better the Maxon and Ibanez are both called AD9!! If you have to pay to have the tone suck of the Ibanez AD9 is better just to go for the Maxon then??
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Post by skydog958 on Dec 15, 2006 16:56:14 GMT -7
The Maxon is supposed to be 10x better than the Ibanez. The Maxon has the real bucket-brigade chip, better durability, true bypass. The Ibanez is all Chinese chips--much more noise, less warm. I think there's talk about it on the Analogman website.
I'm still keeping my eye out for an old AD-900 to add to the rig.
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Post by ruger9 on Dec 15, 2006 16:59:53 GMT -7
Keeley makes his own true-bypass version of the Ibanez. That's the one I'd get if i didn't need longer delay times.
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Post by johnnyl on Dec 15, 2006 17:08:24 GMT -7
I really love my AD900. It's the one pedal I've never considered selling.
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