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Post by flashpunk on Oct 21, 2010 7:25:51 GMT -7
So I took shipment of my new Z Best cabinet, and also Remedy head, and had a chance to open er' up for the first time yesterday. All I can say is sweet jesus, the damn thing sounds fantastic.
I've been an EL84 kind of guy for a long time (Vox's, 65amps Lil Elvis, etc...), but i've been playing with a new band that required something a little more ballzy.
I think i've found exactly what I need in the Remedy.
I'm wanting to experiment with some tubes I have laying around - I already took a look inside, and saw that the previous owner had put in a TAD 12ax7 into the right pre amp tube position, however, the other two were JJ's. I normally don't have an issue with JJ's but, my constant desire to tinker and play with stuff like tubes makes me want to play a little bit.
Has anyone experimented with tubes in your remedy? Can you give me any suggestions for best practice, some results you may have had with certain types of tubes?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 7:52:43 GMT -7
I had a matched quad of NOS Hytron 6V6's that I thought I'd try in my Remedy. I took them out rather quickly. These amps are designed for modern tubes, so when it comes to the power side I'm sticking with new production. At least that's what my ears are telling me. I'm thinking preamp tubes might be a different story, though. I'll be interested to hear what you find when you start swapping tubes.
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Post by zdogma on Oct 21, 2010 9:24:30 GMT -7
Welcome Flashpunk. We've met over on the GC site I think.
First of all let me day I absolutely love this amp. I have totally fallen for the 4X6V6 output section and I have the Remedy and a Carr Slant 6V.
I love the NOS mullard ECC83 and use one in both front end (V1 and V2) I also use one on the dirt side of the Carr.
For output I have the JJ and tung sol 6V6's. The JJ's are more aggressive and crunchy (if ayou want that plexi crunch these are the best), the Tungsols are better for smooth lead sounds, and seem a bit better with my pedal board. I like the Tungsols a bit better for clean sounds as well. The Tung sols are by far the best output tubes in the slant 6V.
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Post by flashpunk on Oct 21, 2010 9:47:58 GMT -7
Here's a photo of the new baby
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Post by flashpunk on Oct 21, 2010 9:53:04 GMT -7
Can someone confirm the positions of the tubes from left to right if you are looking at the back of the amp?
V1 V2 V3 etc etc etc?
- Will I have different results with tubes in different positions? - Someone must know what each of the positions relate to, in regards to the low/high volume pots. - I will probably never take this thing out of 20wat mode, so which 2 power amp tubes are being used while in the 20watt mode?
Thanks!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 21, 2010 9:55:44 GMT -7
Can someone confirm the positions of the tubes from left to right if you are looking at the back of the amp? V1 V2 V3 etc etc etc? - Will I have different results with tubes in different positions? - Someone must know what each of the positions relate to, in regards to the low/high volume pots. - I will probably never take this thing out of 20wat mode, so which 2 power amp tubes are being used while in the 20watt mode? Thanks! welcome aboard - here's link to Dr Z Amps page re tubes for Remedy (and others). www.drzamps.com/tube_info.htmlnot sure 'bout the rest of your questions .... but try the 40 watt mode ..... ;D cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by zdogma on Oct 21, 2010 10:23:22 GMT -7
Looks good, its exactly the same as mine. I have the blonde 112 cab with a celestion gold. The preamp tubes begin with V1 and V2 closest to the outer edge of the chassis, and the V3 tube is the one that is a bit away from the other two, closer to the middle.
I've never really looked to see if two tubes are switched off, I'll check next time to see if two are hotter/brighter. I mostly use the twenty watt mode as well. This amp really cuts trough a mix, seems much louder than my Route 66.
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Post by flashpunk on Oct 21, 2010 11:23:16 GMT -7
@joel thanks for that link, looks like these are the stock tubes in it - all of them modern.
I wonder if I even need to play with the tubes in it to get the best sound out of this amp?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 11:42:17 GMT -7
The question about the power tubes was asked a while ago. If I remember correctly, Doc said all 4 tubes must be installed even in half-power mode, and I believe all are hot.
. . . and I'm with Joel on the 40 watt mode. Give it a shot. Let the beast breathe! ;D
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Post by chetz on Oct 21, 2010 13:02:03 GMT -7
To answer your question directly, you are correct in that the VI, V2 and V3 are the order from the power tubes.
I have a Remedy and it sounds so good I have been reluctant to play with the tubes. This past weekend I put a NOS Mullard 12AX7 Longplate in VI. Glorious and an incedible guilding the lilly expereince.
Try a NOS mullard because they will give you the "hair" I think you are looking for and also increase the spaciousness of this fine amp. If you would like I will send you a tube with a minimal deposit for you to try. I have some great tubes and all of them are tested on my Hickok 600A.
Peace, Jeff
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Post by flashpunk on Oct 22, 2010 17:01:48 GMT -7
Ah, i'd love to take you up on that, but i'm in Canada, shipping wouldn't make sense.
Thanks for the offer though!
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Post by flashpunk on Oct 27, 2010 9:48:24 GMT -7
So it turns out i've collected some relatively nice 12ax7 tubes (was going through some old tubes I had laying around from my last amp). I didn't even know I had these. Someone on the Gear Page told me that 2 of them are Telefunkens ECC83s (possibly), and the other is a long plate RCA. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what configuration I should try with these?
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Post by chetz on Oct 27, 2010 12:11:51 GMT -7
yep those two are Tele's. They are really prized by the audiophile crowd especially in Europe. That Baldwin tube from the organ is made by RCA, I have a number of them and they are really nice.
Check to see if the tele's have smooth or ribbed plates. The smooth plates are really prized by the audiophile crowd. I have read several reviews that think the tele's are very accurate but lack some midrange warmth. For my remedy I go with what marshall used to use, mullards. They have a better break up and a great mid range.
I would just try the RCA by itself in V1 and see what you think. Then put the Tele's in V2 and V3 and re-evaluate.
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Post by flashpunk on Nov 1, 2010 7:47:14 GMT -7
Just a small update. I tried the RCA in V1, and found it less pleasing. I've gotten some suggestions to try it in V3. Also, i picked up my custom Clydesdale (Canadian brand I think) roadcase this weekend. Unfortunately the dimensions of the head were WRONG on the Dr Z website, so the head barely fit (I had to remove the feet) in the space made for it. I think i'm going to try and modify it so that it fits.
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Post by alexlaw on Nov 1, 2010 8:21:39 GMT -7
I tried some different tubes in my Remedy yesterday. Replaced V1, V2 and V3 with Tungsram 12AX7s. Not much change in character, but I left them in anyway - they're probably "better" than the modern production tubes. Changed the power tubes for Marconi "coke bottle" 6V6s. Very noticable change - softer, warmer, but not necessarily in a good way... I felt it lost a lot of that "plexi" vibe. Those tubes sound amazing in a Deluxe, a lot like RCAs, but I think the stock JJs suit the Remedy better. I put the JJs back in.
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Post by bradtfw on Nov 3, 2010 17:34:18 GMT -7
I tried some different tubes in my Remedy yesterday. Replaced V1, V2 and V3 with Tungsram 12AX7s. Not much change in character, but I left them in anyway - they're probably "better" than the modern production tubes. Changed the power tubes for Marconi "coke bottle" 6V6s. Very noticable change - softer, warmer, but not necessarily in a good way... I felt it lost a lot of that "plexi" vibe. Those tubes sound amazing in a Deluxe, a lot like RCAs, but I think the stock JJs suit the Remedy better. I put the JJs back in. I had Tungsrams in all three positions of my Marshall 2203. When compared to a Gold Pin JJ ECC83S in V1 and a JJ ECC83S in V2 I found that I preferred the JJs. The Tungsrams sounded less full, rather harsh, and somewhat less dynamic. However, they are still running after 30+ years and that surely is a testament to their reliability. Honestly, I have not yet experimented with tubes in my Remedy, although there are a few tubes I would like to try in the preamp. I will likely choose a different offering from JJ like the Gold Pin ECC803S for V3 or V1. I have had the opportunity to try out a quite a few tubes from NOS to CP and I come back to JJ very often. Although, I must say that I do also enjoy the sound of a good Telefunken when at my disposal. I especially like JJ's Gold Pin ECC83 S. It has a much more pleasing high end and is quite smooth and full when used in V1 or V2. Also, if I order them from someplace like www.thetubestore.com they are resonably priced, well tested, and they have a 90 day warranty. A budget-concious individual can actually afford to experiment. That's my opininon anyways. Happy hunting. Also, that's a nice looking road case flashpunk. I hardly take my Remedy out, my Marshall gear is the live workhorse and I save the Remedy for myself and the studio. If I had a case like that, I would be using my Remedy rig every time.
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Post by flashpunk on Nov 4, 2010 7:47:12 GMT -7
It turns out I was wrong, the V3 was a Tung-Sol tube. Even still, last night I had a chance and put the RCA into the V3 spot, Telefunken into V2, and put the Tung-Sol into V1.
Honestly, I didn't notice much of a difference between having the Tung Sol or the RCA into V3. In fact, i'm not noticing much of a difference with the Telefunken in there either.. I might return it all back to how it was when I got it, and save these pre amp tubes for something else, or as spares.
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Post by bradtfw on Nov 9, 2010 20:35:08 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a Sovtek LPS or JJ ECC803S in V3? I think that might open the power section up a bit more. I liked what the Sovetk LPS did in V3 of my JMP.
While I'm at it, has anyone tryed a JJ Gold Pin ECC83S for V1? Again, I liked what this tube did for my JMP, but I don't have anymore to play with.
I'm very happy with the remedy, but it would be nice to smooth out the preamp and open up the power section just a bit.
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