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Post by John on Oct 10, 2010 4:30:36 GMT -7
I've been working toward that old school Marshall tone. It's the tone I grew up with and I just love it. That late 60's...to mid 70's Marshall tone with closed back greenbacks...and humbuckers. I've got the Remedy with a 1x12 closed back with a greenback.
Something has been wrong and I couldn't find why. I'll admit the only humbucker guitar I've been using is my PRS SE with it's stock pickups. And I've always thought the tone was too bright, to brittle. Almost single coil-ish. (actually my strat and tele sound better than the PRS)
I've been turning the treble down...sometimes even past noon. And that can't be right. I've got a 1971 100 watt non master volume Marshall Super Lead with a matching 4x12 with 1971 Greenbacks....so I KNOW the sound/feel I'm supposed to be getting....and I wasn't getting it. So finally, after all this time, I A/B'd my PRS against my 1979 Les Paul Custom...with it's stock pickups.
The result: Even though the PRS has humbuckers, they're so bright they're unusable. I can't believe a humbucker can even be this bright. No wonder I've been turning down the treble on the amp and still thinking it's bright. Probably a sound the metal kids like, but not for me. I plugged in the LP....turned the Remedy treble to 3:00...bright amp volume on 2:00 and BAM...there it is!!! NOW I was getting in the ball park. This was all airbraked on bedroom, so I can't wait to try it at a loud rehearsal!!
And I just ordered a Duncan Seth Lover (Basically an original PAF) Hopefully, that will fix the PRS.
Anybody want to buy a PRS bridge pickup?
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Post by mtlrecords on Oct 10, 2010 6:09:38 GMT -7
I have kind of the same pickup issue with my beloved G&L ASAT (tele). Don't get me wrong, the pickups sound great, they are just very high output (compared to any other tele) and very bright. I am kind of in a love/hate relationship.
Congrats on the PAF!
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Post by pintail78 on Oct 10, 2010 7:44:19 GMT -7
only use kinmans and you wont ever question your pickups!!
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Post by John on Oct 10, 2010 7:57:49 GMT -7
only use kinmans and you wont ever question your pickups!! Sorry, but according to their website, they don't even make humbuckers.
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Post by jammergreg on Oct 10, 2010 9:35:13 GMT -7
The PRS guitars I have Tried don't quite nail the LP tone....The only PRS that claims to is a Dallas Shootout McCarty... Every PRS I've had ''FIVE'' gets sold. I guess I'm a Gibson guy.
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Post by cragginshred on Oct 10, 2010 9:47:50 GMT -7
A big part of this is the amp, it is bright and sounds more clear in the brighter modes, thus the strat/tele chicken pickin/Little wing on steroids type tones is where is shines. I have classic 57 pups in a LP and an SG, Dimarzio AT pups and none of those humbuckers are useable for my humbucker higher gain-used to ear. Thus my pursuit of an over the top pedal like the pinnacle. Granted not everyone will agree with my humbucker assessment, but I would not go on the pup replacement hunt just yet (been there done that as well as most of you). I bet the PRS in the right gain structure sounds excellent! I am interested in the 1x12 greenback tones. Is it Z cab,and does it allow you to tame the Rem's wrath and get the higher volume goods at a lower vol. And, how would you describe the Greenback to the v30's for the Rem?
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Post by John on Oct 10, 2010 15:41:57 GMT -7
A big part of this is the amp, Yes, but when you match it with a PAF and a closed back greenback, it gets that special sound I look for. And there's a world of difference between a V30 and a greenback. Basically, there's a world of difference between a V30 and anything else. V30= upper mid honk that drowns out just about everything else. It's got a big 50 oz magnet so the lows won't flutter or flap. So between the big magnet and being 60 watts, you can pound on it pretty hard. That upper mid spike makes it a rock and roll speaker. Pretty hard rock. When I get a chance to A/B a V30 against any other speaker...all I hear is late 80's hair metal when I play the V30. Greenback= more of a mid textured speaker. 35 oz magnet, so it will flap a little at high volume...but that's part of the appeal. Only a 25 watt speaker, and with a smaller magnet, can get a little raggedy when pushed hard..but again, for some, that's part of the appeal. Sort of like a Celestion blue with a ceramic magnet. Mids may not be quite as lush, but it shares so many traits with the blue. And at 98 db, it's quieter than a V30...a pretty loud speaker. But if you're going to thump a full volume Remedy, you'll need two greenbacks....not that that's a bad thing. If you're not diggin' classic 57's in a Les Paul with the Remedy something's got to be out of whack. Perhaps you just don't like that tone. I don't know what kind of music you listen too or play.
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Post by cragginshred on Oct 10, 2010 18:16:27 GMT -7
Let me clarify- nothing out of whack about the classic 57's in either my Les Paul or the SG, they sound killer and I absolutely love them either clean or with more gain than you likely prefer which is not available with the Remedy in my opinion. My post was simply agreeing that the bridge position with any humbucker I have tried while using the Remedy is bright and not my taste thus the purchase of a high gain box to bridge the spectrum of tones I need for the varied styles I play -blues to some country, classic rock to full on shred. By the way I have owned a PRS custom 22 and really liked the dragoon II pups (a very good classic Gibson tone) and briefly used the higher output hum they put in the bridge of the custom 24. At the end of the day we agree on some ground but because of differing tastes we will agree to disagree in other aspects of this topic.
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Post by markT on Oct 11, 2010 6:03:02 GMT -7
Humm....I'll chime in on this- Run thru my 1-12 Gold cab I can't see my Remedy EVER overly, with normal settings. With my strat, my Remedy is bright with all three pickups. As is should be with single coils . But a thick sweet bright. However, with my R9 with burstbuckers, the sound is even thicker, syrupy, creamy, deliciously beautiful! The treble pickup sounds as it should cutting, but thick. Never overly bright even with the treble full blast although I usually set it at 1:30. So my Remedy sounds great with all guitars, with great pickups that is. I'm sure that Seth Lover will be a great addition to that PRS SE~
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Post by skeets1640 on Oct 11, 2010 13:09:30 GMT -7
Ya the Seymour Duncan should do the trick John. Also the sound is a les paul and a marshall not a PRS lol jk I cheat to by using a strat with a nice humbucker. Those les pauls are just too damn heavy I have gigged with them in the past but man it just feels so much better to be weilding a strat or a tele. I have a strat with a motorcity pickups detroiter (a slightly higher output PAF) and it sounds great through the Remedy. Really thick for a bridge pickup. FYI I have had tons of different humbuckers (burstbucker, classic 57's, SD pearly gates) and this detroiter is by far the best. Hand made and affordable.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 11, 2010 13:52:23 GMT -7
Ya the Seymour Duncan should do the trick John. Also the sound is a les paul and a marshall not a PRS lol jk I cheat to by using a strat with a nice humbucker. Those les pauls are just too damn heavy I have gigged with them in the past but man it just feels so much better to be weilding a strat or a tele. I have a strat with a motorcity pickups detroiter (a slightly higher output PAF) and it sounds great through the Remedy. Really thick for a bridge pickup. FYI I have had tons of different humbuckers (burstbucker, classic 57's, SD pearly gates) and this detroiter is by far the best. Hand made and affordable. +1 on motorcity pickups
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Post by skeets1640 on Oct 12, 2010 6:19:21 GMT -7
Joel what motorcity pickups are you using and in what guitars? Just curious I absolutley love my Detroiter humbucker. Hands down best bridge bucker I ever had.
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Post by ringmod on Nov 1, 2010 6:32:59 GMT -7
I really dig my Mojotone PAFs.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Nov 1, 2010 6:39:19 GMT -7
Joel what motorcity pickups are you using and in what guitars? Just curious I absolutley love my Detroiter humbucker. Hands down best bridge bucker I ever had. fan of Blackbelts .... have seen/heard/tried in a Les Paul .... not currently installed in any of my regular rotation .... yet
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Post by cpa2guitar on Nov 2, 2010 22:02:14 GMT -7
John, Have you considered trying the Grosh Blown 59 humbuckers? These were designed by Bobby Smith, who gives an excellent demonstration of these on the new Grosh web site. In the demo, he plays his Grosh ElectraJet loaded with Blown 59 pickups through a Germino. You can find it at: groshguitars.com/pickups/humbuckers/blown-59/Kirk
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Post by pintail78 on Nov 8, 2010 20:18:45 GMT -7
Hey John just seeing the posts, the kinman strats are in a strange category they are not really either single coil or humbuckers, more like stacked single coils, that are noise free and somewhere inbetween, at least how i understand it.
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Post by ringmod on Nov 9, 2010 6:25:04 GMT -7
The Tom Short Marc Ford humbucker is all the rage over at TheGearPage.Net. Also, the WCR Darkbursts are fantastic. Here is my friend Jim's music page, he uses the Marc Ford humbuckers: www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=991524&content=musicThe Duncan Seth Lover is a fantastic pickup; one of my all-time favorites. I never had any issues with it being unpotted.
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