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Post by bradtfw on Aug 21, 2010 23:53:14 GMT -7
Hey everyone,
I have my very own '09 Remedy in red and I am interested in getting a matching Z-Best. However, I would most likely need to order one online and I've never had the pleasure of playing through a Z-Best.
Now, I really like how my Marshall 4x12 sounds with Greenbacks. Can I expect some of that same great texture and percussive force?
I would like to have both cabinets, but right now I could use a 2x12 and the matching head and cab would look dynamite.
Also, there is no shortage of Marshall 4x12 cabs out there. Z-Best cabinets are little harder to come by these days and I might like to get one now before the secret is out.
So what's your opinion on the standard V30/G12H Z-best? Lay it on me. Thanks.
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Aug 22, 2010 6:40:10 GMT -7
The stock Z Best is the Best. I had golds in mine at one time. It sounded great with the Maz 18 and Maz 38, but the Remedy, something was not right. I put the Vintage 30 and the G12H in and all was good. The first time I ever played a Z Best, back in 2005, it sounded like a 4X12 to me. Hope this helps you out.
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Post by asattwanger on Aug 22, 2010 7:57:42 GMT -7
I have been wonderin the same thing for a long time. Everone keeps telling me "try the Z-best" It would be nice as it would cut down on travel space, but I really like the balance of tone in a 4x12. All the 2x12's I have played have been bass heavey. People alway replied "try the Z-best"
DAVE
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Post by Joey Beverages on Aug 22, 2010 8:05:01 GMT -7
STock Z-best w/ V30 and H30 is a favorite of mine. Especially with the Remedy. I've not had the opportunity to run with greenbacks and my history does not include usin' 412 marshall cabs .... I like the way it lets me put my sound across in a live setting - and, dig the way it handles in a more modest basement/studio setting. It is loud enuff but also tone-ful enuff .... With a PRS SC245 thru REmedy into Zbest? Lots more dynamics available than I thought possible. With a STrat thru Remedy into Zbest? Thought I was havin' a clapton moment @ Zfest 2010 .... With a '339 thru Ghia into Zbest? My neighbours now know of my love for Dr Z Amps .... ;D ;D If you get a chance, obviously ... 'try before you buy' .... however, I think it's a sound investment short answer: great texture and definitely a positive percussiveness to be had ... imho, .02, ymmv, etc etc etc cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by bradtfw on Aug 22, 2010 17:31:55 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for all of your input so far. It looks like I am going to have to make a trip to my local dealer and schedule an appointment to get loud and mean.
I would still really enjoy hearing other users opinions and experiences.
Z-Best vs. 4xGreenbacks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2010 17:42:04 GMT -7
Thanks everyone for all of your input so far. It looks like I am going to have to make a trip to my local dealer and schedule an appointment to get loud and mean. I would still really enjoy hearing other users opinions and experiences. Z-Best vs. 4xGreenbacks Humbucker Music has them in stock Free shipping -
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Post by T-R☼CK ♫ on Aug 22, 2010 17:58:25 GMT -7
I have a Marshall 4x12 w/greens, and a Zbest w/greens.
It's easier for me to get to the sweet spot w/the Zbest. Plenty of thump, w/less volume. And, I can carry it w/one hand.
I bought my Zbest empty, so I can't comment on the G12H/V30 thing. LOTS of peeps swear by it tho.
I bought that particular pair of speeks from a forum member several years back, w/intentions of loading the Zbest...but they were destroyed in transit. I would still like to try them at length. I have played a Zbest w/that combo on stage @ Z-fest, and really liked the Remedy/Galaxie thru it.
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Post by alexlaw on Aug 23, 2010 8:28:50 GMT -7
I ordered my Z-Best with two Heritage G12Ms. I think it sounds amazing with the Remedy.
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Post by taswegian on Aug 23, 2010 22:03:23 GMT -7
I think where the comparisons are drawn between the Z-Best and a quad is more in the feel than the sound or tone. The Z Best feelslike a quad because it's such a big sound. however, I don't think it sounds like a quad of greenies at all. Sometimes I prefer the sound of the Z-Best and sometimes I prefer the quad. Just depends on the amp. I thought the sound of the RXES through the Z-Best was pretty good but through an old quad with greenies it was spectacular! Other times I've tried a quad and prefered the Zbest. My producer has a fantastic quad in his studio which I have always used. When I came in the the Route 66 and Z-Best, I said I wanted to try the Route 66 through his quad. He was like "Let me hear your cab first". We miked it up, I played a little and he just smiled at me and went, "Lets Roll" He loved it. The Z-Best is a humongous sound. It sounds especially good with the Remedy. And I find it WAY easier to haul around than the old quads. But at the same time, there is nothing quite like an old quad of greenies.
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Post by bradtfw on Aug 25, 2010 21:58:22 GMT -7
Thanks for the input Tas.
It's actually interesting. I didn't really like Greenbacks until I got my Remedy. They just sound right together.
I know that I will eventually come back to a Marshall 4x12 w/Greenbacks, but for now I'm going to try something new.
I would still love to hear other peoples opinions on the V30/G12H loaded Z-best with the Remedy.
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Post by chetz on Aug 25, 2010 22:36:18 GMT -7
I have the Z Best with the speakers you are considering. The cab sounds phenominal but you have to break the speakers in. It sounded good when I first bought it but it was tight. Play it loud for a couple of months and you will be in staggered!
My son is the real player and he came home from college a couple of weeks ago. I consider my egotistical self to be a real tone merchant. We were playing around with pedals and the tones I heard out of the Remedy and the Z Best cab were absolutely perfect to my ears.
As good as the amps.....break that Z-Best cabs in. You will be rewarded.
Peace, Jeff
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Post by jjtelarson on Aug 26, 2010 9:02:54 GMT -7
I now have the remedy with a single 12" Greenback and I love it (half power only). However, I did check out the Remedy with a Z Best (V30 and heritage 30 as usual) in the store and I was very, very impressed and I agree it just sounds "right". I cannot swing it now but that is ultimately where I am headed.... but until then I am enjoying what I have now .
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Post by bradtfw on Aug 26, 2010 23:36:15 GMT -7
Thanks Chetz and Soterios for your input.
I will likely get the Z-best soon for my remedy. Now I have to decide if I want to get red with salt and pepper or tan grill cloth.
I have seen the way the S&P cloth looks with red and it is very nice, but I am intrigued about the tan grill cloth. It seems like fewer people choose red and tan.
Who is using red and tan out there?
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Post by jjtelarson on Aug 27, 2010 9:17:30 GMT -7
Tan for me...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Aug 27, 2010 10:04:46 GMT -7
All of these except the Z-Best on the right are tan. The Z-Best is Salt/Pepper.
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Post by bradtfw on Sept 7, 2010 22:42:11 GMT -7
Thanks for your input everyone and thanks for the pictures. I have decided on tan grill cloth. I had to color balance a few dealer pictures to make my decision. It's interesting because most pictures of tan grill cloth end up looking completely reddish-brown, but in reality it is cream and black. I managed to raise the cash for a new Z-Best since used Z-Best cabinets are rare, but I am finding it hard to drop $779 on a 2x12. It just seems rather pricey compared to some of the competition like Avatar, Sourmash, Forte, and others. Sourmash has a slanted vertical 2x12 for $280 unloaded and they can do a red nubtex covering if you ask. Forte can also do a red nubtex covering, but they aren't much cheaper. My question: Is a Z-Best worth it? Is it sonically unsurpassed? Can nothing else stand in it's place? It does look cool that's for sure
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Post by buckeyebob on Sept 9, 2010 6:25:01 GMT -7
There is always the black grill cloth, that looks good with the Remedy!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 9, 2010 6:25:12 GMT -7
Thanks for your input everyone and thanks for the pictures. I have decided on tan grill cloth. I had to color balance a few dealer pictures to make my decision. It's interesting because most pictures of tan grill cloth end up looking completely reddish-brown, but in reality it is cream and black. I managed to raise the cash for a new Z-Best since used Z-Best cabinets are rare, but I am finding it hard to drop $779 on a 2x12. It just seems rather pricey compared to some of the competition like Avatar, Sourmash, Forte, and others. Sourmash has a slanted vertical 2x12 for $280 unloaded and they can do a red nubtex covering if you ask. Forte can also do a red nubtex covering, but they aren't much cheaper. My question: Is a Z-Best worth it? Is it sonically unsurpassed? Can nothing else stand in it's place? It does look cool that's for sure Yes, the Z-Best is worth it. I have had some very good results. And, imho, the blonde Z-Best with a brown grill-cloth is a perfect fit under my Z amp heads ;D That said, there are other cool cabs available for sure, but I am a huge fan of the Z-Best cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by bradtfw on Sept 9, 2010 13:38:29 GMT -7
Well I went ahead and ordered a red w/tan Z-Best from Humbucker Music and it should be here Monday.
Although I must say that I really like the surf green tolex that they offer.
Is anyone using any of their surf green stuff?
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Post by bradtfw on Sept 13, 2010 20:05:48 GMT -7
I received my red/tan Z-Best today. It looks great with a matching Remedy on top. I thought about taking pictures, but it's really not that exciting.
The speakers certainly have a good punch and feel, but they are a bit buzzy sounding. The high-end and midrange is lacking definition and sounds a bit thin and harsh.
I have never had new speakers in anything before, so it may just be that they need time to break-in properly. Also, I have quite a bit of experience with the V30, but the G12H30 is new for me.
Unfortunately, right now I am missing my Marshall 4x12 w/greenbacks.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Sept 13, 2010 21:01:28 GMT -7
Get them well broken in before you decide. They will smooth out real nice.
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Post by bradtfw on Sept 14, 2010 16:31:18 GMT -7
After putting a few hours on the cab at high volumes I am starting to like what it has to offer.
With the Z-Best chords seem more chimey, snappy, and there is the perception of more headroom.
I still really like the sound of 4xGreenbacks and I'm sure that I will revisit that sound someday.
For now I like that I have a matching head/cab and that they can easily fit in my car.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 15, 2010 5:01:13 GMT -7
bfradtfw, glad to hear you are enjoyin' the results of runnin' with the Zbest and, yes, ya gotta love bein' able to transport a lil' bit easier than a 412 cab. cheers always, eh Joel
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Post by bradtfw on Sept 27, 2010 17:46:00 GMT -7
Thought I would get the Remedy Sub-board moving again. Anyone ever use the Z 4x10 with their Remedy? I am seriously seriously thinking about getting a KT-45 and several people have suggested using the 4x10 with the KT-45. It would be nice to get a cab that would work well with the Remedy also. An open back 4x10 seems to go against common Marshall practice, but then again the Marshall is based on a Fender. I'm thinking a special order KT-45 in surf green with a surf green/tan 4x10 underneath. What do you guys think?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Sept 27, 2010 18:21:37 GMT -7
I'm thinking you will be able to make music on the weekends, and peel paint off anything you like during the week.
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